Wow. I can't help but be impressed on the way you reply to every single concern brought up in this chain.

The only reply to you directly I have is in regards to the whole "target user base" thing is that I was just replying to the original mention of it. Never for a minute did I think that.

You are a wealth of information and a great asset to the community.

I appreciate the link to the "user base" wiki.

Thank you.

Dan

On Jun 20, 2012 7:24 PM, "Máirín Duffy" <duffy@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On 2012-06-20 16:27, Dan Mashal wrote:
Then maybe we should have a vote on it just like we did with release
names? Maybe we should do more voting on more major changes? Maybe we
should make it a full democracy instead of the engineering team
decides is "better for the novice user" when they don't even
communicate with the novice user.

Dan, I'd like to kindly and respectfully ask that you stop referring to Fedora's target user as a 'novice' user. This is not Fedora's user base. I have pointed this out to you in IRC in a private chat some days/weeks ago and I have pointed this out to you earlier in the thread. Let's not muddy the waters and confuse the conversation by continuing to bring this up, as it's just not reflective of the reality of Fedora's actual user base:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base

Let's try to refer to this more frequently so we can have a more productive / fruitful discussion here, okay?

(BTW the user base was not determined by engineering or FESCO, it is the purview of the Board and they came up with it.)

On your point about voting - we don't vote on decisions like this. We are not elected officials on the design team like the governing bodies of FESCO and FAMSCO and the Fedora Board, so we don't really have authority to vote on decisions like that.

~m
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