On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:57 PM, <emeka@bensoftent.com> wrote:

I think this is pretty easy, If GNOME 3.0 wallpaper must be there by
default, we could add in a new feature during bootup or just before a
users first login asking the user to choose between Fedora's Default
Wallpaper & GNOME 3.0 Default wallpaper. Here the user is King. Lets not
forget that GNOME's come a long way & we have some of our very own working
with them. Fedora has always been a platform for true open source
applications. Lets carry GNOME 3.0 along even though we could make
provisions for UNITY or even google chrome much later.

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 03:09:14 +0100
> From: Onyeibo Oku <twohotis@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
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> On 12/19/2010 03:02 AM, Jim Campbell wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> 2010/12/18 M?ir?n Duffy <duffy@fedoraproject.org
>> <mailto:duffy@fedoraproject.org>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 02:16 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
>> > No, no, you misunderstood. I don't imply we should ship to gnome
>> spins.
>> > We should either ship in F15 gnome as pristine as possible or
>> just do it
>> > they way we do it usually. Neither of these should of course
>> affect
>> > other spins and IMHO also not DVD install.
>>
>> Why? Again, you are proposing this all or nothing thinking and I
>> completely do not understand it. Can you please explain?
>>
>> > PS: I think we should slowly kill this thread, I'm running "out
>> of
>> > ammo", your arguments also haven't been strong enough to make me
>> change
>> > my mind and I wouldn't want to make this into a flame...
>>
>> We have to make a decision.
>>
>> ~m
>>
>>
>>
>> I think that the Fedora Project is in a good spot here in that the
>> default Gnome3 wallpaper is a shade of blue that coincides nicely with
>> the colors that Fedora uses anyway.
>>
>> The same cannot be said of OpenSUSE, though.
>>
>> Given the hubbub that is in Fedora where there isn't really a conflict
>> of colors, but other distros would likely have a conflict with the
>> colors, would upstream Gnome be willing to compromise on this? Would
>> upstream be willing to allow distros to create stripe-based wallpapers
>> that include the same design pattern, same degree of saturation, same
>> texture, etc., but use different distro-specific colors? After all,
>> could we really expect OpenSUSE to ship a blue theme? So much of their
>> artwork (website, icon set, metacity theme, etc.) is green. And I have
>> never seen a blue gecko. : (
>>
>> If we were able get a compromise like this, I think that there would be
>> greater likelihood of buy-in from the various the distros. They would be
>> representing and celebrating Gnome, but would retain key portions of
>> their own distro "self." Perhaps even Ubuntu would be willing to ship an
>> aubergine stripe-based theme as part of their wallpaper set (though, of
>> course, not as their default, as they are using Unity).
>>
>> This could also potentially benefit Gnome, as they could do something
>> like, "Different Colors, One Gnome," or something like that. The Gnome
>> brand identity could be visible in the stripes, while the distros get
>> their identity in the colors.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> That's what I thought too
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:40:15 +0100
> From: Martin Sourada <martin.sourada@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>
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> On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 20:34 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
>> On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 02:16 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
>> > No, no, you misunderstood. I don't imply we should ship to gnome
>> spins.
>> > We should either ship in F15 gnome as pristine as possible or just do
>> it
>> > they way we do it usually. Neither of these should of course affect
>> > other spins and IMHO also not DVD install.
>>
>> Why? Again, you are proposing this all or nothing thinking and I
>> completely do not understand it. Can you please explain?
>>
> Because I don't understand at all why change only the wallpaper. How
> does that help anyone. It's like doing something half-heartedly to me.
>
>> > PS: I think we should slowly kill this thread, I'm running "out of
>> > ammo", your arguments also haven't been strong enough to make me
>> change
>> > my mind and I wouldn't want to make this into a flame...
>>
>> We have to make a decision.
> Agreed. Seems to me like vote is the best option (probably FAS based as
> not everyone has time to attend an IRC meeting). As I already said,
> while I'm personally against granting this request, I wouldn't mind
> granting it if majority of our team is for it.
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> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:21:59 +0200
> From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
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> On 12/17/2010 06:01 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
>>
>> If the team doing the default Fedora desktop switched and did a GNOME
>> remix instead this cycle, who would do the default Fedora desktop?
>> (I'm sure you'd be happy to switch the default to KDE for this cycle,
>> but... ;-)
>
> Yes, if you do a remix, nobody will object on whatever branding you
> apply to it, as long as it is not our *default* download.
>
>> And how would we distinguish between the two different downloads when
>> presenting options to the user? We'd basically be offering the user the
>> choice between two different almost identical things because we couldn't
>> come to a decision.
>
> One is the default download, linked practically from everywhere and the
> other one is listed on the spins page, on the same level with everybody
> else.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:02:26 +0100
> From: Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>
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> On Saturday, December 18, 2010 02:23:52 am M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 22:28 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
>> > IMHO this would lessen Fedora's visual identity a lot. Imagine you
>> boot
>> > a F15 Desktop Live and what you see is almost pristine GNOME 3
>> desktop.
>> > Where's Fedora in it? Where's our own visual identity in it?
>>
>> Our visual identity would (if the proposal is accepted) be present on
>> the website, on the DVD disc labels and sleeves, in syslinux, in the
>> installer, in firstboot, in plymouth, and on the login screen. The
>> wallpaper we design will be the default for GDM.
>>
>> > Moreover,
>> >
>> > KDE shipped our wallpaper with the 4.0 release, why should we treat
>> > GNOME differently? Is it some new trend?
>>
>> I honestly don't remember the KDE SIG ever approaching us with this
>> request. And honestly why would they? - they aren't the default
>> download, so it's not up to this team, it's up to the KDE SIG what to
>> do. This team, the design team, has purview over the default wallpaper
>> in the default Fedora. Spins have always been able to change their
>> wallpapers as they've liked, and we've even designed alternative
>> wallpapers for them at their request (e.g., Education Spin and Security
>> Spin.)
>
> Actually I asked for something I proposed here - KDE was in the same
> situation
> one year ago... And I still think it's a good idea - to merge
> upstream/downstream branding - it would work best for both Gnome and KDE,
> it's
> long-term solution etc. I'll try to write down the proposal.
>
> But you said it - Gnome spin is now the default one - we should take care
> about
> our jewel.
>
> R.
>
>> > OK, so upstream wants to promote GNOME 3. I'm not a fan of gnome-shell
>> > (quite the contrary), but let them do it. But why the visual identity?
>> > It's the behaviour, the work-flow, the experience that makes GNOME 3
>> > from end-user point of view, and it's the visual identity that makes
>> our
>> > distro Fedora from end-user POV (among other things, but the visual
>> > identity is the first thing you see).
>>
>> They believe the stripes is part of their upstream visual identity. To
>> be fair, they are producing a lot of nice visual materials including
>> videos that have the stripes - because as a DE they must remain neutral
>> wrt distros, so they obviously cannot pick a favorite in choosing a
>> wallpaper. They would like the visual identity then across
>> GNOME-produced materials and Fedora materials and materials produced by
>> journalists and other reviewers checking out GNOME 3 via Fedora to be
>> consistent. This makes sense to me. After F15, it won't be as big a deal
>> since all the hooplah will be over, so at that point we can go back to
>> the standard operating procedure.
>>
>> > So in short, let's be *first* to ship GNOME 3 and let's be *first* to
>> > ship it with our own visual identity. We, the fedora design team,
>> should
>> > be leaders in our area as well ;-)
>>
>> I am unsure if we will be the first to ship GNOME 3. Certainly we will
>> be first to ship it by default. I don't understand how we are being
>> leaders in what you suggest here.
>>
>> ~m
>>
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