On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM, tejas g <tejgop@myopera.com> wrote:

Can i get something to do?

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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:24:12 +0100
> From: "S.Kemter" <sirko.kemter@gmail.com>
> To: Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou@pingoured.fr>
> Cc: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] About nuancier
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> Hi,
>
>
> 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou@pingoured.fr>
>
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou@pingoured.fr>
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
> > > > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the pressure
> > back to
> > > have an
> > > > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that that
> > would be
> > > not
> > > > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for the
> > wiki.
> > > So there
> > > > was only two who used the way to send me something and I
> > submitted
> > > it to
> > > > the wiki.
> > >
> > > Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone else.
> > >
> > > yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that then?
> >
> > So we actually want to consider the case where:
> > * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA
> > * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot
> > * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier
> > * Jane does not want to create a FAS account
> > * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her
> >
> > ??
> >
>
> wowowow, just make it simple possible to submit without FAS account. For
> F19 we had already the case that somebody submitted the work of somebody
> else with another license. You always question me, why I have to
> disqualify
> if its not correct licensed eg but in this case the author changed the
> license after an conversation.
>
> >
> > Who should get the badge then? Joe, who took the picture? Jane, who saw and
> > liked the picture and thought it would make a good wallpaper for Fedora?
> > Dave
> > who agreed with Jane and actually did the work?
> >
>
> first of all, no FAS account no page at badges.fp.o or? But the question
> was already raised during the last submission period as we had the case.
> I
> raised already the question remember and we had an discussion about on
> IRC
> "to crawl the internet for good pictures, is also considered valuable
> contribution and a badge should be awarded" not me who said that!
>
> >
> > And what if Jane gave the idea to Johan that knew someone in the Fedora
> > community and thus asked Gustave who could submit the artwork and Gustave
> > too
> > busy told Johan that Dave should be able to?
> >
> > I mean, we can probably make it as complex as we want, but at the end I
> > think
> > the simpler the better:
> > * author: the person that made the artwork
> > * submiter: the person that submitted the artwork
> >
> >
> > Note:: To submit atm one still has to be CLA+1 (same restriction as for
> > voting)
> >
>
> for submission that was never asked for, just for the voting
>
> >
> > > > for the rules:
> > > > * comfortaa is bad to read
> > >
> > > I used it because it was on the mockups, I am fine with using the
> > > standard
> > > fonts.
> > >
> > > its fine for headlines, but not for content
> >
> > Fixed
> >
> > > > * it's unclear that the name for the submission is meant with
> > that
> > >
> > > Would 'Title' be better? (see previous discussion with Kirk)
> > >
> > > yes
> >
> > Fixed
> >
> > > > * tried to upload a file with the name "test" took endless
> > long and
> > > > failed, can we rename them with "name-by-author-size.*" that is
> > > what has
> > > > do be done anyway
> > >
> > > See above.
> > > Otherwise, I can think of 2 options:
> > > 1) we can split the submission onto two pages but I don't think that
> > > this is nice.
> > > 2) I add a 'test submission' button that checks if the title is
> > unique
> > > and
> > > inform the user if it is not.
> > >
> > > the renaming would be easier, somebody might have submitted a file
> > named
> > > "flower" but definitly not flower-by-name.*
> >
> > Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we display it
> > as
> > such?
> >
>
> isnt there a difference between file name and name?
>
> >
> > > > * the upload takes way to long, fear we have to do the test
> > after
> > > the
> > > > upload otherwise, somebody with a lot of submissions will
> > break up
> > > after a
> > > > few
> > >
> > > See above.
> > > The file is uploaded as part of the form, so I cannot check before
> > if
> > > the data
> > > submitted is valid or not.
> > >
> > > I think the check of sizes take that long, not of the other data. I
> > think
> > > the split of the submission would be nicer, when its done the right
> > way
> > >
> > > > as the question for the licenses already came up
> > > >
> > > > CC0
> > > > CC-BY
> > > > CC-BY-SA
> > > > DSL
> > > > Free Art
> > >
> > > No other licenses are accepted?
> > >
> > > that are the licenses from
> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 who makes
> > sense
> > > for pictures
> >
> > The current wiki pages pretty much says that any licenses from this page is
> > fine, that's why I went for the text field instead of the drop-down list.
> > But I'm fine only allowing these 5 licenses if that's what we want
> > (see below)
> >
>
> please read, there are differences between "content" and "code" licenses
>
> >
> > > > but here please no autofill! So when dropdown, with an empty
> > field
> > > and
> > > > that should not allowed, so that the submitter has to choose!
> > >
> > > Well CC-BY-SA will be the default (first) option.
> > >
> > > please not, simple the submitter will use it without knowing what it
> > is.
> > > We have to make sure he CHOOSE it
> >
> > Fixed using drop-down list, no default and no license is not a valid
> > choice :)
> >
> > > > Review:
> > > >
> > > > * for what purpose is the text field on the end?
> > >
> > > Explain why a candidate is rejected
> > >
> > > your second submission eg has to be rejected " brand or trademark" ;)
> >
> > Well that's the information that will be given to the submiter, so it has
> > to be
> > something "nice" and self-explanatory, "Images contains a brand" is a valid
> > reason to reject a submission :)
> >
>
> There are more reasons ;)
>
>
> br gnokii
>
> >
> >
> > Pierre
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:08:31 +0100
> From: Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou@pingoured.fr>
> To: buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de
> Cc: Fedora Design Team <design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] About nuancier
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> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 03:24:12PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
> > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou@pingoured.fr>
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
> > > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou@pingoured.fr>
> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
> > > > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the pressure
> > back to
> > > have an
> > > > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that that
> > would be
> > > not
> > > > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for the
> > wiki.
> > > So there
> > > > was only two who used the way to send me something and I
> > submitted
> > > it to
> > > > the wiki.
> > >
> > > Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone else.
> > >
> > > yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that then?
> >
> > So we actually want to consider the case where:
> > * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA
> > * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot
> > * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier
> > * Jane does not want to create a FAS account
> > * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her
> >
> > ??
> >
> > wowowow, just make it simple possible to submit without FAS account. For
> > F19 we had already the case that somebody submitted the work of somebody
> > else with another license. You always question me, why I have to
> > disqualify if its not correct licensed eg but in this case the author
> > changed the license after an conversation.
>
> I always asked when you spoke about 'ugly' submissions; brand, people,
> wrong
> license, stolen artwork are all fine reasons to reject a submission ;-)
>
> Anyway, back on the subject, would requiring a OpenID be ok?
> If so, I'll see what I can do to port nuancier to just require an OpenID.
> yahoo, google, FAS all provide OpenID login, but it makes things a little
> more
> tricky to store the submitter.
>
> > Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we display
> > it as
> > such?
> >
> > isnt there a difference between file name and name?
>
> There is on the one side the file name which indeed incoporate the
> submitter's
> name. On the other side there is the title (which used to be 'Name')
> which is
> just the title of the artwork, so can be set to anything.
>
> And when looking into this I obviously found a bug ^^.
>
> I was checking that filename and title are unique per election but in
> fact it's
> both (filename and title) that must be unique for an election.
> So as long as you and I provide different filename, we may use the same
> title.
> (Fixed and deployed)
>
> Ok, so beside the login question which I'm going to look into, is there
> anything
> else?
>
>
> Thanks for your feedbacks :)
>
> Pierre
>
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