06 Jul 2010 Design team meeting summary

[Máirín Duffy]

Highlights;

1 - Fedora 14 Default Wallpaper Concept 

We picked Kyle Baker's proposal as the default wallpaper for Fedora 14.
(more at:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-July/002772.html

2 - Fedora Branding Fonts

We decided to try out Comfortaa as a titling font, and Droid sans for
body text tentatively. Both Muffin (Fedora-fr community magazine) and
the newest Design team bounty (Fedora presentation template) will be our
testbed for us to decide how we like these fonts.

We could potentially change the Fedora logotype to the FLOSS titling
font we choose, but that will need to involve Red Hat approval as the
trademark is owned by Red Hat. Just something to consider.

3 - Trac tickets

This was a very productive trac week. Nicu completed
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/141 with a great blog post
on hackergotchi design:

Good Hackergotchis for Everyone
http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2010/07/good-hackergotchis-for-everyone.html


Jef completed https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/55 with a
great blog post & wiki page on hackergotchi banners:

Introducing Hackergotchi Ribbons
http://jefsblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/04/introducing-hackergotchi-ribbons/

Hackergotchi Ribbons Wiki Page
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hackergotchi_ribbons


For next week, Pierros will be focusing on ticket #138 and ticket #139
for identifying missing hackergotchis and hackergotchis needing
improvement. Also, Jef will take on ticket
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/142 with Nicu's (cc'ed)
help.

4 - Marketing team design team member interviews

The marketing team will start off design team member interviews with
Luya. Luya's interview will focus on the Fedora-fr Muffin magazine
project, show some screenshots of the design, maybe have a highlight on
Scribus.

The next victi^W willing volunteers :) up (not in any order) are:

- Interview with Nicu Buculei on how he got started with Open Clip Art
and also highlighting openclipart.org as a tool for designers (maybe
have a sidebar on OCAL/Inkcape integration feature?), maybe explaining
public domain and SVGs?

- Interview with Tatica Leandro on her Gimp podcasts and how they are
used in SA high schools, and maybe do a highlight on using Gimp as a
tool.

- Interview Jef van Schendel on how he got started with the design team
via Design Team bounty, maybe highlight open office as a tool since he
used that for his bounty?

- Martin Sourada / Nicu Buculei / Pierros Papadeas - interview on their
presentation of the Fedora design team process at Libre Graphics Meeting
2010, maybe with a highlight on LGM and what it's about and its history?

- Máirín Duffy could talk about how she uses Inkscape to create
UI mockups and show some off for the article.

5 - Other

Mel will ask Matt Jadud, a design professor, on what types of activities
he'd like his students to work on when they help out the Fedora design
team starting in the fall. Based on that, we'll suggest things they can
get involved with.

Michael Beckwidth put together a draft Join page for the design team and
we'll discuss his mockup next meeting:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_Design_Team

Jef will be putting together some Fedora Summer Coding hackergotchi
ribbons.

Full logs/etc:


Minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-07-06/fedora-design.2...

Minutes (text):
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-07-06/fedora-design.2...

Log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-07-06/fedora-design.2...

~m

[Jakub Steiner]

On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 17:49 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

>  We could potentially change the Fedora logotype to the FLOSS titling
>  font we choose, but that will need to involve Red Hat approval as the
>  trademark is owned by Red Hat. Just something to consider. 
Hi Mo,
personally I don't consider this part necessary. Usually it is desirable
not to mess with the logotype (dilluting it by creating subbrands,
etc...). I don't see an immediate need to have the actual logotype set
in a Freely licensed font.

cheers

-- 
Jakub Steiner <jsteiner(a)redhat.com&gt;
http://jimmac.musichall.cz

[Martin Sourada]

Hi Jakub,

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:39 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: 
>  On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 17:49 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  
>  > We could potentially change the Fedora logotype to the FLOSS titling
>  > font we choose, but that will need to involve Red Hat approval as the
>  > trademark is owned by Red Hat. Just something to consider.
>  
>  Hi Mo,
>  personally I don't consider this part necessary. Usually it is desirable
>  not to mess with the logotype (dilluting it by creating subbrands,
>  etc...). I don't see an immediate need to have the actual logotype set
>  in a Freely licensed font.
>   
I don't think we want to mess with the logotype, but we'd like it to use
font we can use without issues _anywhere else_, so ideally we'd switch
the fedora logotype font to something FLOSS with good latin glyphs
coverage. What we're doing now is matching the logotype font with some
other that looks similar, which is suboptimal...

Btw. welcome to Red Hat and Fedora :)

Martin

[Jakub Steiner]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:50 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:

>  > personally I don't consider this part necessary. Usually it
> is desirable
>  > not to mess with the logotype (dilluting it by creating subbrands,
>  > etc...). I don't see an immediate need to have the actual logotype set
>  > in a Freely licensed font.
>  > 
>  I don't think we want to mess with the logotype, but we'd like it to use
>  font we can use without issues _anywhere else_, so ideally we'd switch
>  the fedora logotype font to something FLOSS with good latin glyphs
>  coverage. What we're doing now is matching the logotype font with some
>  other that looks similar, which is suboptimal...
>  
>  Btw. welcome to Red Hat and Fedora :) 
Thanks Martin!

I very much see the need to have a headline Fedora font which can be
freely distributed and improved. In fact, this need drove me to create
5th Leg* for openSUSE to replace the awesome Cholla which sadly didn't
have a very permissive license.

But just like openSUSE didn't have to have the actual logo recreated
based on the new type, I don't think Fedora needs to do so either.

I really hope Johan will be willing to relicense Comfortaa, it would be
quite a time saver. I would love to work on making this work better as a
screen font as well (in terms of weight/spacing, not hinting). Fedora
would benefit for having this used as a default WM font.

* http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=555
-- 
Jakub Steiner <jsteiner(a)redhat.com&gt;
http://jimmac.musichall.cz

[Nicu Buculei]

On 07/07/2010 05:51 PM, Jakub Steiner wrote:
>  But just like openSUSE didn't have to have the actual logo recreated
>  based on the new type, I don't think Fedora needs to do so either. 
The line of thinking is, if the font was free, that whoud show better 
our commitment to freedom, but that is not a blocker, we have the 
wordmark in vector format and can use it as we want.

>  I really hope Johan will be willing to relicense Comfortaa, it would
> be
>  quite a time saver. I would love to work on making this work better as a
>  screen font as well (in terms of weight/spacing, not hinting). Fedora
>  would benefit for having this used as a default WM font. 
That would be amazing, honestly until now the team lacked someone with 
experience in font design, I hope we can "steal" some knowledge in the 
area from you.

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/