On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
Hi,
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the pressure back to have an > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that that would be not > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for the wiki. So there > was only two who used the way to send me something and I submitted it to > the wiki. Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone else.
yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that then?
So we actually want to consider the case where: * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier * Jane does not want to create a FAS account * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her
??
Who should get the badge then? Joe, who took the picture? Jane, who saw and liked the picture and thought it would make a good wallpaper for Fedora? Dave who agreed with Jane and actually did the work?
And what if Jane gave the idea to Johan that knew someone in the Fedora community and thus asked Gustave who could submit the artwork and Gustave too busy told Johan that Dave should be able to?
I mean, we can probably make it as complex as we want, but at the end I think the simpler the better: * author: the person that made the artwork * submiter: the person that submitted the artwork
Note:: To submit atm one still has to be CLA+1 (same restriction as for voting)
> for the rules: > * comfortaa is bad to read I used it because it was on the mockups, I am fine with using the standard fonts.
its fine for headlines, but not for content
Fixed
> * it's unclear that the name for the submission is meant with that Would 'Title' be better? (see previous discussion with Kirk)
yes
Fixed
> * tried to upload a file with the name "test" took endless long and > failed, can we rename them with "name-by-author-size.*" that is what has > do be done anyway See above. Otherwise, I can think of 2 options: 1) we can split the submission onto two pages but I don't think that this is nice. 2) I add a 'test submission' button that checks if the title is unique and inform the user if it is not.
the renaming would be easier, somebody might have submitted a file named "flower" but definitly not flower-by-name.*
Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we display it as such?
> * the upload takes way to long, fear we have to do the test after the > upload otherwise, somebody with a lot of submissions will break up after a > few See above. The file is uploaded as part of the form, so I cannot check before if the data submitted is valid or not.
I think the check of sizes take that long, not of the other data. I think the split of the submission would be nicer, when its done the right way
> as the question for the licenses already came up > > CC0 > CC-BY > CC-BY-SA > DSL > Free Art No other licenses are accepted?
that are the licenses from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 who makes sense for pictures
The current wiki pages pretty much says that any licenses from this page is fine, that's why I went for the text field instead of the drop-down list. But I'm fine only allowing these 5 licenses if that's what we want (see below)
> but here please no autofill! So when dropdown, with an empty field and > that should not allowed, so that the submitter has to choose! Well CC-BY-SA will be the default (first) option.
please not, simple the submitter will use it without knowing what it is. We have to make sure he CHOOSE it
Fixed using drop-down list, no default and no license is not a valid choice :)
> Review: > > * for what purpose is the text field on the end? Explain why a candidate is rejected
your second submission eg has to be rejected " brand or trademark" ;)
Well that's the information that will be given to the submiter, so it has to be something "nice" and self-explanatory, "Images contains a brand" is a valid reason to reject a submission :)
Pierre
Hi,
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
Hi,
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the pressure
back to
have an > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that that
would be
not > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for the
wiki.
So there > was only two who used the way to send me something and I
submitted
it to > the wiki. Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone else.
yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that then?
So we actually want to consider the case where:
- Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA
- Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot
- Jane wants to submit it to nuancier
- Jane does not want to create a FAS account
- Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her
??
wowowow, just make it simple possible to submit without FAS account. For F19 we had already the case that somebody submitted the work of somebody else with another license. You always question me, why I have to disqualify if its not correct licensed eg but in this case the author changed the license after an conversation.
Who should get the badge then? Joe, who took the picture? Jane, who saw and liked the picture and thought it would make a good wallpaper for Fedora? Dave who agreed with Jane and actually did the work?
first of all, no FAS account no page at badges.fp.o or? But the question was already raised during the last submission period as we had the case. I raised already the question remember and we had an discussion about on IRC "to crawl the internet for good pictures, is also considered valuable contribution and a badge should be awarded" not me who said that!
And what if Jane gave the idea to Johan that knew someone in the Fedora community and thus asked Gustave who could submit the artwork and Gustave too busy told Johan that Dave should be able to?
I mean, we can probably make it as complex as we want, but at the end I think the simpler the better:
- author: the person that made the artwork
- submiter: the person that submitted the artwork
Note:: To submit atm one still has to be CLA+1 (same restriction as for voting)
for submission that was never asked for, just for the voting
> for the rules: > * comfortaa is bad to read I used it because it was on the mockups, I am fine with using the standard fonts.
its fine for headlines, but not for content
Fixed
> * it's unclear that the name for the submission is meant with
that
Would 'Title' be better? (see previous discussion with Kirk)
yes
Fixed
> * tried to upload a file with the name "test" took endless
long and
> failed, can we rename them with "name-by-author-size.*" that is what has > do be done anyway See above. Otherwise, I can think of 2 options: 1) we can split the submission onto two pages but I don't think that this is nice. 2) I add a 'test submission' button that checks if the title is
unique
and inform the user if it is not.
the renaming would be easier, somebody might have submitted a file
named
"flower" but definitly not flower-by-name.*
Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we display it as such?
isnt there a difference between file name and name?
> * the upload takes way to long, fear we have to do the test
after
the > upload otherwise, somebody with a lot of submissions will
break up
after a > few See above. The file is uploaded as part of the form, so I cannot check before
if
the data submitted is valid or not.
I think the check of sizes take that long, not of the other data. I
think
the split of the submission would be nicer, when its done the right
way
> as the question for the licenses already came up > > CC0 > CC-BY > CC-BY-SA > DSL > Free Art No other licenses are accepted?
that are the licenses from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 who makes
sense
for pictures
The current wiki pages pretty much says that any licenses from this page is fine, that's why I went for the text field instead of the drop-down list. But I'm fine only allowing these 5 licenses if that's what we want (see below)
please read, there are differences between "content" and "code" licenses
> but here please no autofill! So when dropdown, with an empty
field
and > that should not allowed, so that the submitter has to choose! Well CC-BY-SA will be the default (first) option.
please not, simple the submitter will use it without knowing what it
is.
We have to make sure he CHOOSE it
Fixed using drop-down list, no default and no license is not a valid choice :)
> Review: > > * for what purpose is the text field on the end? Explain why a candidate is rejected
your second submission eg has to be rejected " brand or trademark" ;)
Well that's the information that will be given to the submiter, so it has to be something "nice" and self-explanatory, "Images contains a brand" is a valid reason to reject a submission :)
There are more reasons ;)
br gnokii
Pierre
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 03:24:12PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the pressure back to > have an > > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that that would be > not > > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for the wiki. > So there > > was only two who used the way to send me something and I submitted > it to > > the wiki. > > Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone else. > > yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that then?
So we actually want to consider the case where: * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier * Jane does not want to create a FAS account * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her ??
wowowow, just make it simple possible to submit without FAS account. For F19 we had already the case that somebody submitted the work of somebody else with another license. You always question me, why I have to disqualify if its not correct licensed eg but in this case the author changed the license after an conversation.
I always asked when you spoke about 'ugly' submissions; brand, people, wrong license, stolen artwork are all fine reasons to reject a submission ;-)
Anyway, back on the subject, would requiring a OpenID be ok? If so, I'll see what I can do to port nuancier to just require an OpenID. yahoo, google, FAS all provide OpenID login, but it makes things a little more tricky to store the submitter.
Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we display it as such?
isnt there a difference between file name and name?
There is on the one side the file name which indeed incoporate the submitter's name. On the other side there is the title (which used to be 'Name') which is just the title of the artwork, so can be set to anything.
And when looking into this I obviously found a bug ^^.
I was checking that filename and title are unique per election but in fact it's both (filename and title) that must be unique for an election. So as long as you and I provide different filename, we may use the same title. (Fixed and deployed)
Ok, so beside the login question which I'm going to look into, is there anything else?
Thanks for your feedbacks :)
Pierre
Hi,
I worked a little bit on the design for the front page and I came up with an idea:
http://img.susepaste.org/68449823
@Ryan & Mizmo do you have an idea how to put an slideshow on top of the monitor?
br gnokii
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 03:24:12PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the
pressure
back to > have an > > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that
that
would be > not > > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for
the
wiki. > So there > > was only two who used the way to send me something and I submitted > it to > > the wiki. > > Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone
else.
> > yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that
then?
So we actually want to consider the case where: * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier * Jane does not want to create a FAS account * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her ??
wowowow, just make it simple possible to submit without FAS account.
For
F19 we had already the case that somebody submitted the work of
somebody
else with another license. You always question me, why I have to disqualify if its not correct licensed eg but in this case the author changed the license after an conversation.
I always asked when you spoke about 'ugly' submissions; brand, people, wrong license, stolen artwork are all fine reasons to reject a submission ;-)
Anyway, back on the subject, would requiring a OpenID be ok? If so, I'll see what I can do to port nuancier to just require an OpenID. yahoo, google, FAS all provide OpenID login, but it makes things a little more tricky to store the submitter.
Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we
display
it as such?
isnt there a difference between file name and name?
There is on the one side the file name which indeed incoporate the submitter's name. On the other side there is the title (which used to be 'Name') which is just the title of the artwork, so can be set to anything.
And when looking into this I obviously found a bug ^^.
I was checking that filename and title are unique per election but in fact it's both (filename and title) that must be unique for an election. So as long as you and I provide different filename, we may use the same title. (Fixed and deployed)
Ok, so beside the login question which I'm going to look into, is there anything else?
Thanks for your feedbacks :)
Pierre
Hi,
my list of things I located today in testing Nuancier
- is the folder where the submissions end up a concern for the admin? - make * for mandatory fields - add time field for when submission opens - add "link to the original author" field
br gnokii
2013/12/20 S.Kemter sirko.kemter@gmail.com
Hi,
I worked a little bit on the design for the front page and I came up with an idea:
http://img.susepaste.org/68449823
@Ryan & Mizmo do you have an idea how to put an slideshow on top of the monitor?
br gnokii
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 03:24:12PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote:
2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon pingou@pingoured.fr > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the
pressure
back to > have an > > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that
that
would be > not > > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one
for the
wiki. > So there > > was only two who used the way to send me something and
I
submitted > it to > > the wiki. > > Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone
else.
> > yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that
then?
So we actually want to consider the case where: * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier * Jane does not want to create a FAS account * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her ??
wowowow, just make it simple possible to submit without FAS account.
For
F19 we had already the case that somebody submitted the work of
somebody
else with another license. You always question me, why I have to disqualify if its not correct licensed eg but in this case the author changed the license after an conversation.
I always asked when you spoke about 'ugly' submissions; brand, people, wrong license, stolen artwork are all fine reasons to reject a submission ;-)
Anyway, back on the subject, would requiring a OpenID be ok? If so, I'll see what I can do to port nuancier to just require an OpenID. yahoo, google, FAS all provide OpenID login, but it makes things a little more tricky to store the submitter.
Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we
display
it as such?
isnt there a difference between file name and name?
There is on the one side the file name which indeed incoporate the submitter's name. On the other side there is the title (which used to be 'Name') which is just the title of the artwork, so can be set to anything.
And when looking into this I obviously found a bug ^^.
I was checking that filename and title are unique per election but in fact it's both (filename and title) that must be unique for an election. So as long as you and I provide different filename, we may use the same title. (Fixed and deployed)
Ok, so beside the login question which I'm going to look into, is there anything else?
Thanks for your feedbacks :)
Pierre
-- make me rich, buy my Inkscape book http://is.gd/yq5OD0 ;)
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