According to the Design schedule[1], today is the day to have the Alpha wallpapers bundled up in a package. I believe Martin said that he could do the packaging, but was waiting on a selection by the team. If I'm not mistaken, the things that need to happen are:
* The team needs to decide on a selection of wallpaper for the F12 Alpha release today.
* Ensure Martin knows the selection and packages the selection(s) into Rawhide, replacing the Leonidas backgrounds, if possible, to save space.
Did I correctly capture everything?
Paul
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 09:50 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
According to the Design schedule[1], today is the day to have the Alpha wallpapers bundled up in a package. I believe Martin said that he could do the packaging, but was waiting on a selection by the team. If I'm not mistaken, the things that need to happen are:
The team needs to decide on a selection of wallpaper for the F12 Alpha release today.
Ensure Martin knows the selection and packages the selection(s) into Rawhide, replacing the Leonidas backgrounds, if possible, to save space.
Did I correctly capture everything?
Paul
Mostly yep. The final deadline for Wallpaper packaged for Alpha is set to 2009-08-14, today was supposed initial packages to be ready, so I've put them together (see my other mail). I've also slipped the final selection explicitly to 2009-08-11 so that we have time to modify the packages with that in mind as well as time to gain some more feedback now that the selection has been narrowed.
Martin
Martin Sourada said the following on 08/04/2009 07:10 AM Pacific Time:
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 09:50 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
According to the Design schedule[1], today is the day to have the Alpha wallpapers bundled up in a package. I believe Martin said that he could do the packaging, but was waiting on a selection by the team. If I'm not mistaken, the things that need to happen are:
The team needs to decide on a selection of wallpaper for the F12 Alpha release today.
Ensure Martin knows the selection and packages the selection(s) into Rawhide, replacing the Leonidas backgrounds, if possible, to save space.
Did I correctly capture everything?
Paul
Mostly yep. The final deadline for Wallpaper packaged for Alpha is set to 2009-08-14, today was supposed initial packages to be ready, so I've
Today is the date when packaging needs to be ready to be included in the official Alpha release. The 2009-08-14 date is for the first refresh of the wallpapers to be included in rawhide. This is what I understood when we met.
There is also a task on the schedule for today to start blogging about the new and awesome artwork people can expect to see in the Alpha.
John
put them together (see my other mail). I've also slipped the final selection explicitly to 2009-08-11 so that we have time to modify the packages with that in mind as well as time to gain some more feedback now that the selection has been narrowed.
Martin
On 08/04/2009 04:50 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
According to the Design schedule[1], today is the day to have the Alpha wallpapers bundled up in a package. I believe Martin said that he could do the packaging, but was waiting on a selection by the team. If I'm not mistaken, the things that need to happen are:
The team needs to decide on a selection of wallpaper for the F12 Alpha release today.
Ensure Martin knows the selection and packages the selection(s) into Rawhide, replacing the Leonidas backgrounds, if possible, to save space.
Did I correctly capture everything?
Almost :p The list server was lagging and the message probably delayed a bit but a few minutes ago Martin posted some preliminary packages: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-August/000649.html
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 05:11:50PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 08/04/2009 04:50 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
According to the Design schedule[1], today is the day to have the Alpha wallpapers bundled up in a package. I believe Martin said that he could do the packaging, but was waiting on a selection by the team. If I'm not mistaken, the things that need to happen are:
The team needs to decide on a selection of wallpaper for the F12 Alpha release today.
Ensure Martin knows the selection and packages the selection(s) into Rawhide, replacing the Leonidas backgrounds, if possible, to save space.
Did I correctly capture everything?
Almost :p The list server was lagging and the message probably delayed a bit but a few minutes ago Martin posted some preliminary packages: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-August/000649.html
Excellent -- I'm trying those out right now.
Seeing the backgrounds from the main package in action, I have one piece of feedback -- the mosaic-squares background might benefit from being angled in some fashion. Perhaps this could be some perspective, as if the print of squares was on a wall angling away from the viewer at the top. That would prevent the squares from making it a little more difficult to see icons on the desktop. Hope this is helpful.
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 01:03:11PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 05:11:50PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 08/04/2009 04:50 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
According to the Design schedule[1], today is the day to have the Alpha wallpapers bundled up in a package. I believe Martin said that he could do the packaging, but was waiting on a selection by the team. If I'm not mistaken, the things that need to happen are:
The team needs to decide on a selection of wallpaper for the F12 Alpha release today.
Ensure Martin knows the selection and packages the selection(s) into Rawhide, replacing the Leonidas backgrounds, if possible, to save space.
Did I correctly capture everything?
Almost :p The list server was lagging and the message probably delayed a bit but a few minutes ago Martin posted some preliminary packages: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-August/000649.html
Excellent -- I'm trying those out right now.
Seeing the backgrounds from the main package in action, I have one piece of feedback -- the mosaic-squares background might benefit from being angled in some fashion. Perhaps this could be some perspective, as if the print of squares was on a wall angling away from the viewer at the top. That would prevent the squares from making it a little more difficult to see icons on the desktop. Hope this is helpful.
I spent a little time with all the backgrounds Martin kindly packaged. One of the important things I noticed was that Maria's art is *much* smaller in size than all the others. This is a significant factor in deciding on default artwork because we are so squeezed for space on CD-size Live spins.
We recently moved from Tomboy to Gnote in the Desktop spin for Fedora 12. This saves space by eliminating the Mono stack from that Spin, saving us megabytes worth of space we can use for other software. Although all the artists should be commended for their beautiful work, I think it would be very hypocritical of Fedora to eliminate software for space reasons while retaining very large artwork files. In some cases these files are 2 or 3 MB in size, which is significant in the context of a CD-sized spin.
Maria's art looks like the only art that is more of a vector-based illustration, which I recall the Design team had said was going to be preferred for this release. I think there are some improvements we could make to that background to make it more usable and functional, as I wrote earlier. But further, I think we should be considering space as a factor in the decision for default background.
Seeing the backgrounds from the main package in action, I have one piece of feedback -- the mosaic-squares background might benefit from being angled in some fashion. Perhaps this could be some perspective, as if the print of squares was on a wall angling away from the viewer at the top. That would prevent the squares from making it a little more difficult to see icons on the desktop. Hope this is helpful.
I spent a little time with all the backgrounds Martin kindly packaged. One of the important things I noticed was that Maria's art is *much* smaller in size than all the others. This is a significant factor in deciding on default artwork because we are so squeezed for space on CD-size Live spins.
We recently moved from Tomboy to Gnote in the Desktop spin for Fedora 12. This saves space by eliminating the Mono stack from that Spin, saving us megabytes worth of space we can use for other software. Although all the artists should be commended for their beautiful work, I think it would be very hypocritical of Fedora to eliminate software for space reasons while retaining very large artwork files. In some cases these files are 2 or 3 MB in size, which is significant in the context of a CD-sized spin.
Maria's art looks like the only art that is more of a vector-based illustration, which I recall the Design team had said was going to be preferred for this release. I think there are some improvements we could make to that background to make it more usable and functional, as I wrote earlier. But further, I think we should be considering space as a factor in the decision for default background.
I would not really recommend making the size a factor in deciding the background. In the big scheme of things 2M or 3M is not going to decide whether we fit or not, considering that the outstanding change to dracut initrds alone will make us grow by another 15M.
Also, mono was never on the live cd, for size reasons. We _added_ a note-taking application where there was none before.
Matthias
Hi Matthias!
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:00 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I would not really recommend making the size a factor in deciding the background. In the big scheme of things 2M or 3M is not going to decide whether we fit or not, considering that the outstanding change to dracut initrds alone will make us grow by another 15M.
How much space do you think is it reasonable for us to expect to have for the artwork?
One of the proposed wallpapers is 2MB in size... we'd need a widescreen version as well, which might bring us to 4MB at a minimum. Then the various splashes do take up space, depending, I'm not sure maybe 1-2 MB. I'm not sure how much we've taken up in the past but it seems that things are tighter than ever - do you think 6MB is a reasonable amount?
~m
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:16 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Matthias!
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:00 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I would not really recommend making the size a factor in deciding the background. In the big scheme of things 2M or 3M is not going to decide whether we fit or not, considering that the outstanding change to dracut initrds alone will make us grow by another 15M.
How much space do you think is it reasonable for us to expect to have for the artwork?
One of the proposed wallpapers is 2MB in size... we'd need a widescreen version as well, which might bring us to 4MB at a minimum. Then the various splashes do take up space, depending, I'm not sure maybe 1-2 MB. I'm not sure how much we've taken up in the past but it seems that things are tighter than ever - do you think 6MB is a reasonable amount?
Here is what the F11 backgrounds took (not including minor things like splashes etc):
4392138 leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual 21997 leonidas-backgrounds 1472733 leonidas-backgrounds-common
Seems to be a little below 6MB altogether. If you stay within the same ballpark we should be fine.
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