Re: [Design-team] Mockup: Joining process

[twohot]

Okay.

While the Ambassadors ponder over the issues presented by Vinz and
Gnokii, let us trash the design oriented part amongst ourselves.

Right now I see two options:
A: use gnokii's/tatica's characters as exemplified by Vinz here:
    [1] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
    [2] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png
B: Use *I-don't-know-his-name*'s characters as exemplified here:
    [3] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/5/55/Fedora-15-livemedia-64.png

I was thinking in the lines of *B* but adapted to poses that can send
the 'Ambassador' message. Like Characters with 'name-tags', mic,
knapsacks, school-bags, laptops etc to represent different areas/levels
of ambassadorial activities.  I made a crude sketch of what i had in mind.

Here:
http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketch-too...

[DISCLAIMER] its crude!!!
The idea: Gnokii could vectorize the sketch taking cognizance of [3] and
add some of his feel to it -- then everybody should be happy.

Onyeibo

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[inode0]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Onyeibo Oku  wrote:
> Okay.
>
> While the Ambassadors ponder over the issues presented by Vinz and
> Gnokii, let us trash the design oriented part amongst ourselves.
>
> Right now I see two options:
> A: use gnokii's/tatica's characters as exemplified by Vinz here:
>        [1] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/join-process/joining-intro.png
>        [2] http://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/kids-design.png

Just my opinion but I don't see this cartoon kid theme as attracting
people who have the Fedora experience and skills that mesh nicely with
being Fedora Ambassadors. I rather suspect it will appeal to the sorts
of people that either don't have any experience to begin with and who
aren't likely to stick with us.
> B: Use *I-don't-know-his-name*'s characters as exemplified here:
>        [3] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/5/55/Fedora-15-livemedia-64.png

Can someone explain who these faceless people are supposed to be and
what they are supposed to represent? My mouth pretty much fell open
when I saw the cover art on the finished product and I have no idea
what any of it means. There may be a really cool idea behind it but I
don't get it from just looking at the cover.
> I was thinking in the lines of *B* but adapted to poses that can send
> the 'Ambassador' message. Like Characters with 'name-tags', mic,
> knapsacks, school-bags, laptops etc to represent different areas/levels
> of ambassadorial activities.  I made a crude sketch of what i had in mind.
>
> Here:
> http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketch-too...
>
> [DISCLAIMER] its crude!!!
> The idea: Gnokii could vectorize the sketch taking cognizance of [3] and
> add some of his feel to it -- then everybody should be happy.

While I like your sketch here much better than any of the previously
proposed options I guess before encouraging more work in this
direction I'd like to get a feel for why people think this sort of
theme actually fits with the objective of attracting the sorts of
people who will be well suited to the ambassador group?!

John

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[María Leandro]

> Just my opinion but I don't see this cartoon kid theme as attracting
> people who have the Fedora experience and skills that mesh nicely with
> being Fedora Ambassadors. I rather suspect it will appeal to the sorts
> of people that either don't have any experience to begin with and who
> aren't likely to stick with us.

I guess we can continue with the kids theme since Fedora is not only build
by tech people, but we also want to attract people at schools and colleges.
I believe we have a good team and we can work on both ideas.
> Here:

http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketch-too...
> [DISCLAIMER] its crude!!!
> The idea: Gnokii could vectorize the sketch taking cognizance of [3] and
> add some of his feel to it -- then everybody should be happy.

I love this idea, I think I can vectorize this after today meetings. Onyeibo
I will contact you on IRC to catch up on this.

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[Máirín Duffy]

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 12:28 +0000, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
> I was thinking in the lines of *B* but adapted to poses that can send
> the 'Ambassador' message. Like Characters with 'name-tags', mic,
> knapsacks, school-bags, laptops etc to represent different areas/levels
> of ambassadorial activities.  I made a crude sketch of what i had in mind.
>
> Here:
> http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketch-too...

Just one small piece of feedback - I'm not a fan of the angle of the
sketch because there's a girl and a women both wearing short skirts.

~m

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[María Leandro]

Maybe Onyeibo can invert the angle (from above) Onyeibo, can you do that?

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[Onyeibo Oku]

Sure.

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[Sirko Kemter]

Am Freitag 15 Juli 2011, 15:33:20 schrieb Máirín Duffy:
> On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 12:28 +0000, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
> > I was thinking in the lines of *B* but adapted to poses that can send
> > the 'Ambassador' message. Like Characters with 'name-tags', mic,
> > knapsacks, school-bags, laptops etc to represent different areas/levels
> > of ambassadorial activities.  I made a crude sketch of what i had in
> > mind.
> >
> > Here:
> > http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketch-
> > toons.jpg
>
> Just one small piece of feedback - I'm not a fan of the angle of the
> sketch because there's a girl and a women both wearing short skirts.

yes that kind of perspective means the have to look down and it create a 
feeling for the viewer as they would be higher as he self. Could be the wrong 
signal - we are contribute u are nothing!

br gnokii
> ~m
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[Onyeibo Oku]

Wow Gnokii

Did you do psychology?
That's another strong concept

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Am Freitag 15 Juli 2011, 15:33:20 schrieb Máirín Duffy:
> On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 12:28 +0000, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
> > I was thinking in the lines of *B* but adapted to poses that can send
> > the 'Ambassador' message. Like Characters with 'name-tags', mic,
> > knapsacks, school-bags, laptops etc to represent different areas/levels
> > of ambassadorial activities.  I made a crude sketch of what i had in
> > mind.
> >
> > Here:
> > http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketch-
> > toons.jpg
>
> Just one small piece of feedback - I'm not a fan of the angle of the
> sketch because there's a girl and a women both wearing short skirts.

yes that kind of perspective means the have to look down and it create a 
feeling for the viewer as they would be higher as he self. Could be the wrong 
signal - we are contribute u are nothing!

br gnokii
> ~m
>
> design-team mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team

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[María Leandro]

Interesting... what if we change skirts for shorts or pants?

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[Sirko Kemter]

Hello,

Am Freitag 15 Juli 2011, 16:06:22 schrieb Onyeibo Oku:
> Did you do psychology?

Well, I had to absolve some lessons in psychology.  :D
> That's another strong concept

I like ur drawing it shows some powerful people but powerful I wouldnt use in 
that case you can create a feeling on the viewer that he think he has not 
enough power to be among them.

What we need is more characters where most people would say "oh yes that can 
be me" and have no fears to join.

Even they are not "pro"!!!

br gnokii
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> Am Freitag 15 Juli 2011, 15:33:20 schrieb Máirín Duffy:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 12:28 +0000, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
> > > I was thinking in the lines of *B* but adapted to poses that can send
> > > the 'Ambassador' message. Like Characters with 'name-tags', mic,
> > > knapsacks, school-bags, laptops etc to represent different areas/levels
> > > of ambassadorial activities.  I made a crude sketch of what i had in
> > > mind.
> > >
> > > Here:
> > > http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketc
> > > h- toons.jpg
> >
> > Just one small piece of feedback - I'm not a fan of the angle of the
> > sketch because there's a girl and a women both wearing short skirts.
>
> yes that kind of perspective means the have to look down and it create a
> feeling for the viewer as they would be higher as he self. Could be the
> wrong signal - we are contribute u are nothing!
>
> br gnokii
> > ~m
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> > [e-mail]
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
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[Máirín Duffy]

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 14:11 +0000, S.Kemter wrote:
> I like ur drawing it shows some powerful people but powerful I wouldnt use in 
> that case you can create a feeling on the viewer that he think he has not 
> enough power to be among them.
>
> What we need is more characters where most people would say "oh yes that can 
> be me" and have no fears to join.

Yeh, I agree. We don't want folks to be intimidated. It's not a bad
thing if they think contributing to an open source project would enable
them more control over their computing life (I could see that as being
'powerful') but it has to seem like an achievable goal. I think the
angle also has a 'cool' or a 'dramatic' factor.

I like the kids because they make it seem achievable to be a productive
contributor, but they also seem smart and they have a lot of friends
(themselves.) We could achieve the 'cool' or 'dramatic' factor depending
on our visual treatment of the kids graphics.

~m

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[Onyeibo Oku]

Good Morning,

I have articulated your comments so far into a new sketch.
here:
http://twohot.fedorapeople.org/design/wiki/ambassadors/ambassador-sketch-too...

I forgot to vary the cultures (in attire), So I provided some notes and
alternative representations of some of the characters. Imagine some of
them to be Asians, Africans, and from Middle East (Hmm, A Dashiki with
small coat and a headscarf for a lady from there should do).  But this
is all in the direction of Vinz concept.  Any other
suggestion/concept/reference is still welcome.

... More Comments please.