Here is the reply I received after asking for a license change for the wallpapers in old Fedora versions:
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fedora-legal-list] License for wallpapers in old Fedora releases Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:03:19 -0400 From: Tom "spot" Callaway
On 07/24/2009 11:28 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
At the Design-Team we figured it would be handy to provide (perhaps in a gallery) wallpapers from the old releases, so the users who liked them can have a handy access at the images. It is also useful to have when documenting our history.
However, we have a licensing issue with the images created before the team establishment, from Fedora Core 1 to Fedora 7, when they were created behing the closed doors, at the Red Hat Desktop Team.
My understanding is, being created Red Hat employees as part of their normal job and included into Fedora, those should have some Free license.
So, I should have caught this initially, but Red Hat Legal noticed that all of these images contain the Fedora logo. Accordingly, we can't permit these images to be released under a license which permits modification.
So, this means there are two options remaining:
1. We can package up these backgrounds with a license identical to that of the fedora-logos package (basically, right to use, copy, and redistribute, but not modify, with some extra conditions around the Fedora marks).
2. We could take the images and remove the Fedora trademarks from them and release them under a Creative Commons license.
Or, we could do both.
Let me know what you think,
~spot
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My take:
1. we though mainly about making those available on the web, i think it would be confusing to add various clauses to the license, which very few people will read, understand or care about. it would be preferable to go with a simpler route.
2. we can remove the trademarks only if we have access to the sources, which i am not sure is the case for all the images. with some, like FC6 NDA it may be impossible to remove everything and still retain a good looking image (or it may be, since what we have there is not complying with the guidelines anyway, so what is in there can't be our trademark).
On 08/03/2009 05:03 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Here is the reply I received after asking for a license change for the wallpapers in old Fedora versions:
Sorry, forgot to add to the initial message: here is a list with the old wallpapers assembled by Martin http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/.old-wallpapers/
Nicu Buculei (nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro) said:
Here is the reply I received after asking for a license change for the wallpapers in old Fedora versions:
Would similar issues apply to any of the new backgrounds that use the logo, or logo elements? (such as the four foundations mosaic, or mizmo's underwater mosaic)
Bill
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 11:50 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Nicu Buculei (nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro) said:
Here is the reply I received after asking for a license change for the wallpapers in old Fedora versions:
Would similar issues apply to any of the new backgrounds that use the logo, or logo elements? (such as the four foundations mosaic, or mizmo's underwater mosaic)
I would like to keep the four foundations artwork as open as possible so I don't think that should be an issue in Tatica's design. The only logo element the four foundations contain is the empty bubble but I don't think that should be an issue from my POV (being a designer and not a lawyer - it'd still be quite hard to extrapolate the rest of the logomark and logotext from just having that one balloon graphic)
The underwater mosaic I did doesn't have any logo elements in it.
~m
Máirín Duffy (mairin@linuxgrrl.com) said:
I would like to keep the four foundations artwork as open as possible so I don't think that should be an issue in Tatica's design. The only logo element the four foundations contain is the empty bubble but I don't think that should be an issue from my POV (being a designer and not a lawyer - it'd still be quite hard to extrapolate the rest of the logomark and logotext from just having that one balloon graphic)
Ah, OK. I'm going by the wallpaper image, which uses the logo directly.
The underwater mosaic I did doesn't have any logo elements in it.
Perhaps I'm seeing patterns where there aren't any, but the lighting certainly evokes the logo to me.
Bill
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 14:09 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Máirín Duffy (mairin@linuxgrrl.com) said:
I would like to keep the four foundations artwork as open as possible so I don't think that should be an issue in Tatica's design. The only logo element the four foundations contain is the empty bubble but I don't think that should be an issue from my POV (being a designer and not a lawyer - it'd still be quite hard to extrapolate the rest of the logomark and logotext from just having that one balloon graphic)
Ah, OK. I'm going by the wallpaper image, which uses the logo directly.
Ohhhhh I thought you were talking about this one: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wallpaper-mosaico6.png
This one we definitely couldn't use: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:4f%27s-mosaic.jpg
But I think María made that last one more for fun than as an F12 proposal (correct me if I'm wrong, María! I remember you mentioned you knew the logo wasn't allowed in official wallpaper)
The underwater mosaic I did doesn't have any logo elements in it.
Perhaps I'm seeing patterns where there aren't any, but the lighting certainly evokes the logo to me.
Heh, that's actually really cool that it does! It's totally Nicu's photos + freehand gimping, though.
~m
+1
2009/8/3 Máirín Duffy mairin@linuxgrrl.com:
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 14:09 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Máirín Duffy (mairin@linuxgrrl.com) said:
I would like to keep the four foundations artwork as open as possible so I don't think that should be an issue in Tatica's design. The only logo element the four foundations contain is the empty bubble but I don't think that should be an issue from my POV (being a designer and not a lawyer - it'd still be quite hard to extrapolate the rest of the logomark and logotext from just having that one balloon graphic)
Ah, OK. I'm going by the wallpaper image, which uses the logo directly.
Ohhhhh I thought you were talking about this one: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Wallpaper-mosaico6.png
This one we definitely couldn't use: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:4f%27s-mosaic.jpg
But I think María made that last one more for fun than as an F12 proposal (correct me if I'm wrong, María! I remember you mentioned you knew the logo wasn't allowed in official wallpaper)
Yeap, you're right. In fact that wallpaper was part of a 4foundations set that I made using as a test for Fedora Education.
http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/EduSig/
The underwater mosaic I did doesn't have any logo elements in it.
Perhaps I'm seeing patterns where there aren't any, but the lighting certainly evokes the logo to me.
Heh, that's actually really cool that it does! It's totally Nicu's photos + freehand gimping, though.
~m
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