Hello Design team,
In this week's CommOps meeting, we were reviewing a ticket discussing how to help make it easier for Ambassadors to find and discover marketing and design resources that have been created for long-term use. It was noted by an Ambassador that it can be difficult to find certain resources and know where to look to find things that are useful for events and other advocacy-related efforts.
You can read more about the current discussion in this ticket.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/71#comment:5
We were hoping to get some background to understand how exactly the Design Team workflow is like and how we could try to solve this problem without causing disruption to how things are done and work already in the team.
If anyone has a moment to review the ticket and add a comment, or reply back to this email with thoughts / an explanation, it would be greatly appreciated as we help figure out a solution for this issue! Thanks all.
Hi,
Have you ever thought about the problematic of printing?
1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise) 2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN 3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general bleed size but not for all) 4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the printing method.
So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?
There is a reason, why such pool doesnt exist. Work vs. Effort, the work will be to much. Even you talk about generic things, they have to be adopted all the time and that for just they ¨might¨ be used.
When something needs a change then, that the Ambassadors come not in the latest moment and know clear all the things we need. Besides that, the centralized production EMEA has and APAC tries to install makes more sense.
br gnokii
2016-06-03 22:27 GMT+07:00 Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com:
Hello Design team,
In this week's CommOps meeting, we were reviewing a ticket discussing how to help make it easier for Ambassadors to find and discover marketing and design resources that have been created for long-term use. It was noted by an Ambassador that it can be difficult to find certain resources and know where to look to find things that are useful for events and other advocacy-related efforts.
You can read more about the current discussion in this ticket.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/71#comment:5We were hoping to get some background to understand how exactly the Design Team workflow is like and how we could try to solve this problem without causing disruption to how things are done and work already in the team.
If anyone has a moment to review the ticket and add a comment, or reply back to this email with thoughts / an explanation, it would be greatly appreciated as we help figure out a solution for this issue! Thanks all.
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
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Hi,
On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
- Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors
to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise) 2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN 3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general bleed size but not for all) 4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the printing method.
So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?
These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly - it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage requires a designer be involved.
Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the design team:
1) If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might not know without experience.
2) If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one side of the page.
3) If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable.
4) If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the hard way:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg
(the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the blues on the left side....)
~m
On 06/07/2016 08:15 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi,
On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
- Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors
to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise) 2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN 3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general bleed size but not for all) 4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the printing method.
So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?
These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly - it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage requires a designer be involved.
Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the design team:
- If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you
may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might not know without experience.
- If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is
going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one side of the page.
- If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed
set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable.
- If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file
with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the hard way:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg
(the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the blues on the left side....)
~m
Thanks so much for this info, Sirko and Máirín! This is all great info to have. I also appreciate both of you speaking up in our meeting today as that added a lot of insight into how to best approach this topic and how we can help the Design Team with this.
I think the approach we're going to focus on for now is looking at how this information is communicated with the Ambassadors, and look at coming up with a "standard operating procedure" of sorts for what Ambassadors should do and expect when it comes to requesting artwork assets or printed products.
The introduction of the new roles in the Ambassador regions (Storyteller and Logistician) should be useful in helping us work on this and communicating it with Ambassadors.
Thanks again for the feedback, this is helping point us in a different direction we may not have thought of otherwise. :)
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
Hi,
2016-06-08 3:50 GMT+07:00 Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com:
On 06/07/2016 08:15 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi,
On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
- Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors
to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise) 2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN 3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general bleed size but not for all) 4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the printing method.
So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?
These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly - it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage requires a designer be involved.
Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the design team:
- If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you
may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might not know without experience.
- If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is
going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one side of the page.
- If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed
set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable.
- If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file
with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the hard way:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg
(the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the blues on the left side....)
~m
Thanks so much for this info, Sirko and Máirín! This is all great info to have. I also appreciate both of you speaking up in our meeting today as that added a lot of insight into how to best approach this topic and how we can help the Design Team with this.
I think the approach we're going to focus on for now is looking at how this information is communicated with the Ambassadors, and look at coming up with a "standard operating procedure" of sorts for what Ambassadors should do and expect when it comes to requesting artwork assets or printed products.
The introduction of the new roles in the Ambassador regions (Storyteller and Logistician) should be useful in helping us work on this and communicating it with Ambassadors.
I dont think so, to be honest the ¨Logistician¨ exists already long time, he just got a name now. I cant tell here everything, we should talk about it on Flock, we have to as some things that are made (budget.next) are more problematic for some regions, without analyzing the situation/problem to much.
br gnokii
Thanks again for the feedback, this is helping point us in a different direction we may not have thought of otherwise. :)
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
Hi all!
I, too, have something to say about this. There's this part in your ticket comments:
A single repository
The other idea would be to host a single repository where all the files actually live for this one. If this method were approached, it might even be possible to create a package for anyone to easily install "fedora-assets" or something >similar...
Which is exactly what I've been working on during my internship. The repository actually exists, we just need to discuss during one of our meetings on how best to organize it, so it would be used with caution. All the above comments about color usage and typographic requirements are very true. I have been meaning to write a blog post about it for a while now, and I will.
Best regards, Maria Leonova
Interaction designer | PnT Portal mashaleonova.wordpress.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "S.Kemter" sirko.kemter@gmail.com To: "Fedora + Community + Operations = Fedora CommOps" commops@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: "Fedora Design Team" design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:23:20 AM Subject: [Design-team] Re: [commops] Re: Re: Understanding how the Design Team workflow
Hi,
2016-06-08 3:50 GMT+07:00 Justin W. Flory < jflory7@gmail.com > :
On 06/07/2016 08:15 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi,
On 06/05/2016 10:41 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
1. Self-printed vs. printed material (first one shall have lesser colors to save ink as it becomes to expensive otherwise) 2. different paper formats, letter vs DIN 3. different bleed sizes (well for some it might work with and general bleed size but not for all) 4. different colors, EMEA ICC profiled, US CMYK and APAC very funny there very often the printer wants to do it by them self
For stickers it even becomes more problematic as it depends on the printing method.
So what is the problem, to come with the special need, when you need it?
These are great points. For our workflow we really need to know all of the things gnokii outlines above. We can't know these things ahead of time, which is why we ask that anyone doing a run of Fedora materials please contact us first so we can make sure it will come out correctly - it is impossible to provide ready-made things for every possible situation. We have a set of assets we use as a template, but their usage requires a designer be involved.
Well, what is the harm in trying to DIY it? I think it could be instructive to walk through what can happen if you don't work with the design team:
1) If you try to DIY printing something in a low-color situation, you may not know the appropriate ways to pull colors out of Fedora designs and end up with a compromised Fedora logo that doesn't adhere to our guidelines as well as a potentially bad-looking design since there are tricks you need to know about for low-color situations that you might not know without experience.
2) If you print something designed for US Letter to A4, part of it is going to either get cut out, or the design is going to get stretched/squished, and you're going to have an ugly blank area on one side of the page.
3) If you don't understand bleed sizes / use a document with the bleed set incorrectly, the design will be cropped off on all sides of the page, potentially some of the text getting cut off and unreadable.
4) If you don't have the right colors set, for example you send a file with RGB color where CMYK is required, Fedora blue turns purple. Don't believe me? Check out the old Fedora 7 discs. This is how we learned the hard way:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/1c/Fedora-purple.jpg
(the blues on the right side are supposed to be the same color as the blues on the left side....)
~m
Thanks so much for this info, Sirko and Máirín! This is all great info to have. I also appreciate both of you speaking up in our meeting today as that added a lot of insight into how to best approach this topic and how we can help the Design Team with this.
I think the approach we're going to focus on for now is looking at how this information is communicated with the Ambassadors, and look at coming up with a "standard operating procedure" of sorts for what Ambassadors should do and expect when it comes to requesting artwork assets or printed products.
The introduction of the new roles in the Ambassador regions (Storyteller and Logistician) should be useful in helping us work on this and communicating it with Ambassadors.
I dont think so, to be honest the ¨Logistician¨ exists already long time, he just got a name now. I cant tell here everything, we should talk about it on Flock, we have to as some things that are made (budget.next) are more problematic for some regions, without analyzing the situation/problem to much.
br gnokii
Thanks again for the feedback, this is helping point us in a different direction we may not have thought of otherwise. :)
On 06/13/2016 07:11 AM, Mariia Leonova wrote:
Hi all!
I, too, have something to say about this. There's this part in your ticket comments:
A single repository
The other idea would be to host a single repository where all the files actually live for this one. If this method were approached, it might even be possible to create a package for anyone to easily install "fedora-assets" or something >similar...
Which is exactly what I've been working on during my internship. The repository actually exists, we just need to discuss during one of our meetings on how best to organize it, so it would be used with caution. All the above comments about color usage and typographic requirements are very true. I have been meaning to write a blog post about it for a while now, and I will.
Best regards, Maria Leonova
Interaction designer | PnT Portal mashaleonova.wordpress.com
Hey Maria! Thanks for sharing this again. Máirín also shared your repository with us last week, and this is super helpful to know about! Based on the feedback we received, we also want to help find a solution that works best for the Design Team, so we will make a strong focus towards making sure that the information and procedure is communicated effectively to anyone who wants to request printed Fedora items.
Looking forward to reading your blog post!
-- Cheers, Justin W. Flory jflory7@gmail.com
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