1:07 a.m.
Hi,
The list of packages still exists, [1], though it needs to be updated.
I started working on the spin , the initial size is around 1000MB,
still all fonts need to be put in.
I need help on verifying the fonts list and adding the missing names to it.
Also having a customized generic-logos package should be used as this
is * the design team* :)
Please share your ideas.
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Pa...
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1:27 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kushal Das<kushaldas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The list of packages still exists, [1], though it needs to be
updated.
I started working on the spin , the initial size is around 1000MB,
still all fonts need to be put in.
Your .ks file please :)
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1:34 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, sankarshan<foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Your .ks file please :)
Initial version is here [1]
Right now getting some strange livecd-creator error.
[1] http://kushaldas.in/tmp/fedora-livedvd-artstudio.ks
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1:37 a.m.
On 11/08/09 07:34, Kushal Das wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM,
sankarshan<foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Your .ks file please :)
Initial version is here [1]
Right now getting some strange livecd-creator error.
[1] http://kushaldas.in/tmp/fedora-livedvd-artstudio.ks
Kushal
The LiveCD list are very good at helping with these problems.
5:03 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Kushal Das<kushaldas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM,
sankarshan<foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Initial version is here [1]
Updated with the latest .ks file.
Added few fonts. Latest size is 1018 MB
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5:45 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 01:03 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Kushal
Das<kushaldas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, sankarshan<foss.mailinglists(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Initial version is here [1]
>
Updated with the latest .ks file.
Added few fonts. Latest size is 1018 MB
DejaVu were needed? aren't they pulled by Desktop already?
A few more font suggestions:
- brettfont-fonts
- chisholm-letterlaughing-fonts
- google-droid*
- inkboy-fonts
- serafettin-cartoon-fonts
- sil-gentium*
- silkscreen*
- sj-*
If you base it on F12 Desktop spin, then i believe you don't need to
remove tomboy and add gnote, also i believe you don't need to remove f-spot.
Also AFAIK now cheese is part of the default install (the
PackageManifest was really old) and ImageMagick
should be checked for availability too.
I am sure Tatica will ask for MakeHuman and Martin may suggest the
scripts for publishing Echo icons.
How much KOffice dependencies are brought-in by koffice-krita?
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5:49 a.m.
Updated with the latest .ks file.
Added few fonts. Latest size is 1018 MB
In general, gnote is a better alternative to tomboy since it has far
fewer dependencies (~30MB download, ~80MB installed).
Please include an image organizer also - gthumb and digikam are good
options if we look at non-mono. Both can import photos from digicams
quite conveniently.
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6 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 01:49 PM, Gireesh wrote:
> Updated with the latest .ks file.
> Added few fonts. Latest size is 1018 MB
In general, gnote is a better alternative to tomboy since it has far
fewer dependencies (~30MB download, ~80MB installed).
Look at the kickstart file, gnote is already included.
Please include an image organizer also - gthumb and digikam are good
options if we look at non-mono. Both can import photos from digicams
quite conveniently.
I *hope* gThumb is still part of the Desktop spin we are using as a
base... I would prefer it above digikam considering the spin is mostly
GNOME/gtk+.
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8:22 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 04:19 PM, Gireesh wrote:
> Updated with the latest .ks file.
> Added few fonts. Latest size is 1018 MB
In general, gnote is a better alternative to tomboy since it has far
fewer dependencies (~30MB download, ~80MB installed).
Please include an image organizer also - gthumb and digikam are good
options if we look at non-mono. Both can import photos from digicams
quite conveniently.
Solang (which is a F-Spot alternative) works as well.
Rahul
8:38 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 04:22 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 08/11/2009 04:19 PM, Gireesh wrote:
>
> Please include an image organizer also - gthumb and digikam are good
> options if we look at non-mono. Both can import photos from digicams
> quite conveniently.
Solang (which is a F-Spot alternative) works as well.
But in my experience a new application which hasn't yet reached a level
of maturity to rely on.
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7:25 p.m.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Rahul
Sundaram<sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Solang (which is a F-Spot alternative) works as well.
Did not the Solang developers emphatically blog that Solang is not an
F-spot clone/alternative ?
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1:48 a.m.
On 08/12/2009 05:55 AM, sankarshan wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Rahul
Sundaram wrote:
> Solang (which is a F-Spot alternative) works as well.
Did not the Solang developers emphatically blog that Solang is not an
F-spot clone/alternative ?
I use it a F-Spot alternative now just for testing. Whether they
intended to explicit serve that use case, I can't say.
Rahul
1:52 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 09:07 AM, Kushal Das wrote:
Hi,
Hi and thanks for starting the ball rolling on this!
The list of packages still exists, [1], though it needs to be
updated.
I started working on the spin , the initial size is around 1000MB,
still all fonts need to be put in.
I don't think the size of a CD is a realistic target, so we have to go
for something bigger, and target DVDs/USB drives.
A 1000MB worth of data and some more hundreds of live persistence in the
case of USB drives... maybe we should thing about a total of 2GB? A
design spin is intended for advanced users, probably we don't have to
think about people with hardware on the lower end?
I need help on verifying the fonts list and adding the missing names
to it.
I am thinking it may be a good idea to rethink the approach for this
spin: in the proposed package manifest (which is old and in need of a
refresh anyway) we crammed all the art related application we could
think of.
Maybe is better to start small and go with baby steps? Like at first
define a list of "must have" killer applications (like gimp, inkscape,
scribus, pitivi, audacity) and just add them on top of the desktop spin.
There is absolute mess in the "Other Packages to look at" section.
As for a comprehensive list of fonts, we can start with:
yum search font
Also having a customized generic-logos package should be used as
this
is * the design team* :)
I am pretty much against doing something like http://ubuntustudio.org/.
We are doing a Fedora spin and I think it must look and feel like any
Fedora: the same artwork and as much as possible the same defaults
(however, I think some defaults on the Desktop spin we will use as a
base are wrong and the install DVD has a better set of defaults to follow).
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2:03 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Nicu Buculei<nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> wrote:
I am pretty much against doing something like
http://ubuntustudio.org/.
We are doing a Fedora spin and I think it must look and feel like any
Fedora: the same artwork and as much as possible the same defaults
(however, I think some defaults on the Desktop spin we will use as a
base are wrong and the install DVD has a better set of defaults to follow).
Sorry, I mixed up my idea of a custom spin in this case. Fedora spins
should come fedora-logos package only.
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6:08 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 11:37 +0530, Kushal Das wrote:
Hi,
The list of packages still exists, [1], though it needs to be updated.
I started working on the spin , the initial size is around 1000MB,
still all fonts need to be put in.
I need help on verifying the fonts list and adding the missing names to it.
Also having a customized generic-logos package should be used as this
is * the design team* :)
Please share your ideas.
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/FedoraArtStudio/Pa...
Kushal
Yup, the list needs to be updated. Also, I think it's good idea to
rename the spin (in accordance with our move from Fedora Artwork to
Fedora Design Team) to Fedora Design Live (or something like that). On
quick look I haven't spotted any non linear video editor, IIRC pitivi is
in Fedora repos and thus might be a good candidate. Also for screencasts
most people probably use istanbul, might be a better choice than byzanz.
I'll look at the package list (both in kickstart and the
PackageManifest) more in depth later.
Martin
6:38 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 02:08 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
>
Yup, the list needs to be updated. Also, I think it's good idea to
rename the spin (in accordance with our move from Fedora Artwork to
Fedora Design Team) to Fedora Design Live (or something like that). On
I am biased on that, considering my first encounter with a graphic
editor was "The Art Studio" for Sinclair Spectrum[1], I am excessively
fond of this name.
quick look I haven't spotted any non linear video editor, IIRC
pitivi is
in Fedora repos and thus might be a good candidate. Also for screencasts
Yes, PiTiVi is a must... I also wanted to propose it but got carried and
forgot.
most people probably use istanbul, might be a better choice than
byzanz.
Well, both: they serve different use cases and each if useful in its own
way.
[1] http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0007915
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6:51 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 02:38 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 08/11/2009 02:08 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
> quick look I haven't spotted any non linear video editor, IIRC pitivi is
> in Fedora repos and thus might be a good candidate. Also for screencasts
Yes, PiTiVi is a must... I also wanted to propose it but got carried and
forgot.
About forgetting things... Audacity is also a must.
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6:55 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Nicu Buculei<nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> wrote:
About forgetting things... Audacity is also a must.
Added (including f-spot), now rebuilding the image.
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7:15 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 02:55 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Nicu
Buculei<nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> wrote:
>
> About forgetting things... Audacity is also a must.
Added (including f-spot), now rebuilding the image.
F-spot and all the Mono stack? Not sure it is that useful.
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6:41 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:08 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
Yup, the list needs to be updated. Also, I think it's good idea
to
rename the spin (in accordance with our move from Fedora Artwork to
Fedora Design Team) to Fedora Design Live (or something like that). On
quick look I haven't spotted any non linear video editor, IIRC pitivi is
in Fedora repos and thus might be a good candidate. Also for screencasts
most people probably use istanbul, might be a better choice than byzanz.
I don't think the spin needs to be named after our team, it just needs
to attract the type of user we are seeking no?
To save some space, I believe there is a group of folks working on an
audio studio spin, so we could drop those packages and maybe the video
packages too. Just focus on graphic design and maybe we could get a
decent sized spin.
~m
6:42 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 07:41 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:08 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> Yup, the list needs to be updated. Also, I think it's good idea to
> rename the spin (in accordance with our move from Fedora Artwork to
> Fedora Design Team) to Fedora Design Live (or something like that). On
> quick look I haven't spotted any non linear video editor, IIRC pitivi is
> in Fedora repos and thus might be a good candidate. Also for screencasts
> most people probably use istanbul, might be a better choice than byzanz.
I don't think the spin needs to be named after our team, it just needs
to attract the type of user we are seeking no?
To save some space, I believe there is a group of folks working on an
audio studio spin, so we could drop those packages and maybe the video
packages too. Just focus on graphic design and maybe we could get a
decent sized spin.
Ah I forgot to add one idea - I'm wondering as lame as it sounds if
there is a way maybe out-of-the-box, if we can squeeze it into a CD
size, if the studio could have icons on the desktop you could click on
to install the rest, e.g., 'Click here to install audio-editing tools!'
'Click here to install 3D tools!'
~m
6:59 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 02:42 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Ah I forgot to add one idea - I'm wondering as lame as it sounds if
there is a way maybe out-of-the-box, if we can squeeze it into a CD
size, if the studio could have icons on the desktop you could click on
to install the rest, e.g., 'Click here to install audio-editing tools!'
'Click here to install 3D tools!'
Not lame but somewhat useless, it will be basically the Desktop spin
plus GIMP and a list of links. Why someone would want that instead of
just the Desktop spin and a bunch of links?
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6:57 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 02:41 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
To save some space, I believe there is a group of folks working on an
audio studio spin, so we could drop those packages and maybe the video
packages too. Just focus on graphic design and maybe we could get a
decent sized spin.
We don't overlap with them, an audio spin will need things like Jack
audio server and specialized tools, for them Audacity is something for
beginners.
The basic desktop minus whatever we can take out plus GIMP, Inkscape and
Scribus and we are well above the limit of a CD, is hopeless IMO to try
keeping the size down below 1GB.
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7:04 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 07:41 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 13:08 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> Yup, the list needs to be updated. Also, I think it's good idea to
> rename the spin (in accordance with our move from Fedora Artwork to
> Fedora Design Team) to Fedora Design Live (or something like that). On
> quick look I haven't spotted any non linear video editor, IIRC pitivi is
> in Fedora repos and thus might be a good candidate. Also for screencasts
> most people probably use istanbul, might be a better choice than byzanz.
I don't think the spin needs to be named after our team, it just needs
to attract the type of user we are seeking no?
To save some space, I believe there is a group of folks working on an
audio studio spin, so we could drop those packages and maybe the video
packages too. Just focus on graphic design and maybe we could get a
decent sized spin.
~m
Well, and would be the target of the spin?
Yep, it does not need to be named after our team, but 'design' covers
wider audience are than just 'art', although it's still probably a
little limited. Really, depending on the audience we'll target it at, we
might want to have
* good support for devices like scanners, printers, cameras, wacom
tablets, ...
* graphics editors (gimp, inkscape, ...)
* photo management tools
* decent audio software (recording, editing)
* decent video software ( --||-- , screen-casting)
* burning software (to burn your audio CDs, videos, photos)
* desktop publishing/typesetting software (inkscape, scribus, OOo,
TeX, ...)
* web-design related software (partly overlaps with graphics
editors)
* other multimedia management
* various utilities like ImageMagick
* content (brushes, wallpapers, showcase window/widget themes,
templates, showcase icon themes, palettes, clip-art, ...)
If we included most of this list, the best name would probably be
something like Fedora Creativity Spin XD
Martin
7:10 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 14:04 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
Yep, it does not need to be named after our team, but
'design' covers
wider audience are than just 'art', although it's still probably a
little limited. Really, depending on the audience we'll target it at, we
might want to have
<snip>
* content (brushes, wallpapers, showcase window/widget themes,
templates, showcase icon themes, palettes, clip-art, ...)
and of course I
forgot about fonts...
Martin
7:26 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 03:04 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
Well, and would be the target of the spin?
Yep, it does not need to be named after our team, but 'design' covers
wider audience are than just 'art', although it's still probably a
little limited. Really, depending on the audience we'll target it at, we
might want to have
* good support for devices like scanners, printers, cameras, wacom
tablets, ...
I think this is expected as a default for a desktop spin
* graphics editors (gimp, inkscape, ...)
sure
* photo management tools
Well, for design is very likely you must acquire a photo somehow and use
it as a starting element in the design process (be it photo manipulation
or vectorization).
* decent audio software (recording, editing)
* decent video software ( --||-- , screen-casting)
Also can go hand-in-hand with the design process: for example you create
a screencast showing the process to create some graphics.
* burning software (to burn your audio CDs, videos, photos)
A given in a decent desktop spin.
* desktop publishing/typesetting software (inkscape, scribus,
OOo,
TeX, ...)
* web-design related software (partly overlaps with graphics
editors)
Closely related to the design part: you don't create/edit graphics only
for the sake of working with them, but to use further on print or web.
* other multimedia management
* various utilities like ImageMagick
For me ImageMagick is a valuable tool for photo management.
* content (brushes, wallpapers, showcase window/widget
themes,
templates, showcase icon themes, palettes, clip-art, ...)
...fonts, maybe stock photos, etc.
Indeed, useful to have handy
If we included most of this list, the best name would probably be
something like Fedora Creativity Spin XD
Which does sound like a legit name/target. "Design" sounds a bit
restrictive, but probably "Creativity" or "Art Studio" are more
encompassing.
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8:24 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 15:26 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Which does sound like a legit name/target. "Design" sounds
a bit
restrictive, but probably "Creativity" or "Art Studio" are more
encompassing.
We could do something where the whole enchilada is called the 'Fedora
Creativity Suite' and then different 'slices' of that could be different
studios eg vector gfx studio, 3d studio, audio studio, etc
~m
9:35 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 04:24 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 15:26 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Which does sound like a legit name/target. "Design" sounds a bit
> restrictive, but probably "Creativity" or "Art Studio" are more
> encompassing.
We could do something where the whole enchilada is called the 'Fedora
Creativity Suite' and then different 'slices' of that could be different
studios eg vector gfx studio, 3d studio, audio studio, etc
What is the goal? To keep the spin on a single CD, to keep it under 1GB,
to minimize the clutter on the Applications menu?
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9:37 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 17:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 08/11/2009 04:24 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 15:26 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
>> Which does sound like a legit name/target. "Design" sounds a bit
>> restrictive, but probably "Creativity" or "Art Studio" are
more
>> encompassing.
>
> We could do something where the whole enchilada is called the 'Fedora
> Creativity Suite' and then different 'slices' of that could be
different
> studios eg vector gfx studio, 3d studio, audio studio, etc
What is the goal? To keep the spin on a single CD, to keep it under 1GB,
to minimize the clutter on the Applications menu?
Well, I think maybe it's more to cater to different artist types, e.g.,
I am primarily a 2D artist, I don't use 3D apps and I hardly ever use
video and audio editing tools. So if I could get a 2D art spin that fit
on a disc, took up less hdd space, and took less time to download it'd
be preferable to me... does that make sense? As a special bonus the
listing of spin names sort of serves as advertisement of what Fedora can
do...
Maybe it's a silly idea but I don't know if I'd want *everything* on an
initial install... but I would like it to be easier to get more of the
artsy tools, right now it's scavenger-hunt in yum and that's not fun.
~m
10:02 a.m.
2009/8/11 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 17:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> On 08/11/2009 04:24 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 15:26 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> >> Which does sound like a legit name/target. "Design" sounds a bit
> >> restrictive, but probably "Creativity" or "Art Studio"
are more
> >> encompassing.
> >
> > We could do something where the whole enchilada is called the 'Fedora
> > Creativity Suite' and then different 'slices' of that could be
different
> > studios eg vector gfx studio, 3d studio, audio studio, etc
>
> What is the goal? To keep the spin on a single CD, to keep it under 1GB,
> to minimize the clutter on the Applications menu?
Well, I think maybe it's more to cater to different artist types, e.g.,
I am primarily a 2D artist, I don't use 3D apps and I hardly ever use
video and audio editing tools. So if I could get a 2D art spin that fit
on a disc, took up less hdd space, and took less time to download it'd
be preferable to me... does that make sense? As a special bonus the
listing of spin names sort of serves as advertisement of what Fedora can
do...
+1
As the name "Creative Suite" you do not think a very back of the Adobe
Creative Suite? I think "Art Studio" is not so original, because there
is the Ubuntu Studio, but it would be far more of a name of a
proprietary software.
Maybe it's a silly idea but I don't know if I'd want *everything* on an
initial install... but I would like it to be easier to get more of the
artsy tools, right now it's scavenger-hunt in yum and that's not fun.
~m
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10:06 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 12:02 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote:
+1
As the name "Creative Suite" you do not think a very back of the Adobe
Creative Suite? I think "Art Studio" is not so original, because there
is the Ubuntu Studio, but it would be far more of a name of a
proprietary software.
The specific names aren't important right now, I just wanted to gauge
interest in the idea of having an 'everything' spin and having smaller,
more focused spins.
(but I seriously doubt Ubuntu is original in their naming 'Ubuntu
Studio' either... I've used many many apps named * Studio or * Art
Studio over the years...)
~m
10:35 a.m.
Srooy
2009/8/11 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 12:02 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote:
> +1
> As the name "Creative Suite" you do not think a very back of the Adobe
> Creative Suite? I think "Art Studio" is not so original, because there
> is the Ubuntu Studio, but it would be far more of a name of a
> proprietary software.
Sorry, did not say that it is not original, but the best name - aways
my terrible englsih :(
The specific names aren't important right now, I just wanted to gauge
interest in the idea of having an 'everything' spin and having smaller,
more focused spins.
And as regards the idea of what apps are in the spin, I see what you
mean and agree with the +1.
(but I seriously doubt Ubuntu is original in their naming 'Ubuntu
Studio' either... I've used many many apps named * Studio or * Art
Studio over the years...)
~m
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On 08/11/2009 09:37 AM, � Duffy wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 17:35 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> On 08/11/2009 04:24 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 15:26 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
>>
>>> Which does sound like a legit name/target. "Design" sounds a bit
>>> restrictive, but probably "Creativity" or "Art Studio"
are more
>>> encompassing.
>>>
>> We could do something where the whole enchilada is called the 'Fedora
>> Creativity Suite' and then different 'slices' of that could be
different
>> studios eg vector gfx studio, 3d studio, audio studio, etc
>>
> What is the goal? To keep the spin on a single CD, to keep it under 1GB,
> to minimize the clutter on the Applications menu?
>
Well, I think maybe it's more to cater to different artist types, e.g.,
I am primarily a 2D artist, I don't use 3D apps and I hardly ever use
video and audio editing tools. So if I could get a 2D art spin that fit
on a disc, took up less hdd space, and took less time to download it'd
be preferable to me... does that make sense? As a special bonus the
listing of spin names sort of serves as advertisement of what Fedora can
do...
Maybe it's a silly idea but I don't know if I'd want *everything* on an
initial install... but I would like it to be easier to get more of the
artsy tools, right now it's scavenger-hunt in yum and that's not fun.
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1:11 a.m.
On 08/11/2009 05:37 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Well, I think maybe it's more to cater to different artist types, e.g.,
I am primarily a 2D artist, I don't use 3D apps and I hardly ever use
video and audio editing tools. So if I could get a 2D art spin that fit
on a disc, took up less hdd space, and took less time to download it'd
be preferable to me... does that make sense? As a special bonus the
listing of spin names sort of serves as advertisement of what Fedora can
do...
But wasn't it convenient at FUDCon to have Istanbul and PiTiVi handy and
easily record a screencast?
I think we have the risk to go in the opposite extreme: have more spins
and confuse the creative people not knowing which one of the creative
spins is best for them.
Maybe it's a silly idea but I don't know if I'd want
*everything* on an
initial install... but I would like it to be easier to get more of the
artsy tools, right now it's scavenger-hunt in yum and that's not fun.
When installing the spin, you won't get in Anaconda a step where you can
select/deselect some packages?
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10:47 a.m.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:11:08AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 08/11/2009 05:37 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> Well, I think maybe it's more to cater to different artist types, e.g.,
> I am primarily a 2D artist, I don't use 3D apps and I hardly ever use
> video and audio editing tools. So if I could get a 2D art spin that fit
> on a disc, took up less hdd space, and took less time to download it'd
> be preferable to me... does that make sense? As a special bonus the
> listing of spin names sort of serves as advertisement of what Fedora can
> do...
But wasn't it convenient at FUDCon to have Istanbul and PiTiVi handy and
easily record a screencast?
I think we have the risk to go in the opposite extreme: have more spins
and confuse the creative people not knowing which one of the creative
spins is best for them.
> Maybe it's a silly idea but I don't know if I'd want *everything* on an
> initial install... but I would like it to be easier to get more of the
> artsy tools, right now it's scavenger-hunt in yum and that's not fun.
When installing the spin, you won't get in Anaconda a step where you can
select/deselect some packages?
Assuming the spin is a Live image, no. You get an exact copy of the
Live image's bits installed to your drive, but you can change them as
much as you want afterward of course.
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9:01 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 15:26 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
<snip>
For me ImageMagick is a valuable tool for photo management.
> * content (brushes, wallpapers, showcase window/widget themes,
> templates, showcase icon themes, palettes, clip-art, ...)
...fonts, maybe stock photos, etc.
Indeed, useful to have handy
> If we included most of this list, the best name would probably be
> something like Fedora Creativity Spin XD
Which does sound like a legit name/target. "Design" sounds a bit
restrictive, but probably "Creativity" or "Art Studio" are more
encompassing.
Aah, yep the 'categories' I introduced in the post are overlapping here
and there... I like what Mo suggested about 'Fedora Creativity Suite'
and the different 'slices' of that.
Martin
6:37 a.m.
Hey Kushal!
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 11:37 +0530, Kushal Das wrote:
Hi,
The list of packages still exists, [1], though it needs to be updated.
I started working on the spin , the initial size is around 1000MB,
still all fonts need to be put in.
I need help on verifying the fonts list and adding the missing names to it.
Also having a customized generic-logos package should be used as this
is * the design team* :)
Please share your ideas.
Coincidentally enough I tried several times to build an art studio spin
last night but livecd-creator keeps failing:
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45:
DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of
Python 2.6
return unicode(self.message)
Error creating Live CD : Dependency check failed!
I've attached the kickstart file I used - any ideas?
~m
6:43 a.m.
2009/8/11 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
Coincidentally enough I tried several times to build an art studio spin
last night but livecd-creator keeps failing:
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45:
DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of
Python 2.6
return unicode(self.message)
Error creating Live CD : Dependency check failed!
I've attached the kickstart file I used - any ideas?
Few hours back juhp was
complaining with the same issue on
#fedora-devel. I never saw any solution to this.
Kushal
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6:44 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 17:13 +0530, Kushal Das wrote:
2009/8/11 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
>
> Coincidentally enough I tried several times to build an art studio spin
> last night but livecd-creator keeps failing:
>
> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45:
> DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of
> Python 2.6
> return unicode(self.message)
> Error creating Live CD : Dependency check failed!
>
> I've attached the kickstart file I used - any ideas?
Few hours back juhp was complaining with the same issue on
#fedora-devel. I never saw any solution to this.
This is why the studio never got created in the first place. :( this
happened to me both in revisor and livecd-tools and I never found an
answer then. My original original ks file from Fedora *8* :)
http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Fedora%20Art%
20Studio/Build/artstudio.cfg
weee http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Fedora%20Art%
20Studio/fedoraartstudio.png
~m
6:48 a.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 17:13 +0530, Kushal Das wrote:
2009/8/11 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
>
> Coincidentally enough I tried several times to build an art studio spin
> last night but livecd-creator keeps failing:
>
> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45:
> DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of
> Python 2.6
> return unicode(self.message)
> Error creating Live CD : Dependency check failed!
>
> I've attached the kickstart file I used - any ideas?
Few hours back juhp was complaining with the same issue on
#fedora-devel. I never saw any solution to this.
I think I figured it out - looking in baobab it looks like I have no
hard disk space left (although I would imagine my machine to be in more
rough shape if it were really bad but I bet it's missing deps because
they couldn't fit)
~m
3:27 p.m.
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 07:48 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 17:13 +0530, Kushal Das wrote:
> 2009/8/11 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
> >
> > Coincidentally enough I tried several times to build an art studio spin
> > last night but livecd-creator keeps failing:
> >
> > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45:
> > DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of
> > Python 2.6
> > return unicode(self.message)
> > Error creating Live CD : Dependency check failed!
> >
> > I've attached the kickstart file I used - any ideas?
> Few hours back juhp was complaining with the same issue on
> #fedora-devel. I never saw any solution to this.
I think I figured it out - looking in baobab it looks like I have no
hard disk space left (although I would imagine my machine to be in more
rough shape if it were really bad but I bet it's missing deps because
they couldn't fit)
Okay so I don't think disk space is an issue. I split out a new 20 GB
logical volume specifically to built this today, it fails in the same
exact way and the cache directory only takes up 727MB.
I'm out of ideas :(
~m
10:23 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 04:27:32PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 07:48 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 17:13 +0530, Kushal Das wrote:
> > 2009/8/11 Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com>:
> > >
> > > Coincidentally enough I tried several times to build an art studio spin
> > > last night but livecd-creator keeps failing:
> > >
> > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/imgcreate/errors.py:45:
> > > DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of
> > > Python 2.6
> > > return unicode(self.message)
> > > Error creating Live CD : Dependency check failed!
> > >
> > > I've attached the kickstart file I used - any ideas?
> > Few hours back juhp was complaining with the same issue on
> > #fedora-devel. I never saw any solution to this.
>
> I think I figured it out - looking in baobab it looks like I have no
> hard disk space left (although I would imagine my machine to be in more
> rough shape if it were really bad but I bet it's missing deps because
> they couldn't fit)
Okay so I don't think disk space is an issue. I split out a new 20 GB
logical volume specifically to built this today, it fails in the same
exact way and the cache directory only takes up 727MB.
I'm out of ideas :(
I had to fix a couple minor package differences, but this KS file
worked for me using F11 repos. (You may need to reset the repo
directives at the top.)
http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/temp/artstudio.ks
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11:04 a.m.
Le mardi 11 août 2009 à 11:37 +0530, Kushal Das a écrit :
Hi,
The list of packages still exists, [1], though it needs to be updated.
I started working on the spin , the initial size is around 1000MB,
still all fonts need to be put in.
I need help on verifying the fonts list and adding the missing names to it.
I'd expect an art spin to include all the distribution font packages :p
Otherwise, you should at least install dejavu-*, liberation-*,
google-droid-*, linux-libertine-* and all the sil-*-fonts and
gfs-*-fonts
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