Plan for Fedora 20 Design Suite

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

Hello Designers,

The incoming Design Suite for Fedora 20 brought more highlighted changes:
- Cinepaint is dropped due to bugs [1], CMYKTool allow conversion from 
RGB to CMYK.
- Customized favorites activities on the dock (Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, 
Blender)
- Additional font: Titillium
- Additional plugins for both Gimp (normalmap, dds, high pass filter) 
and Inkscape (sozi)
- In Gnome Shell, enable category feature

In consideration,
- possibly include classic session
- inclusion of some tutorials (like CMYK conversion)

I submitted a review request of Gimp Paint Studio [2] , packager of 
separate+[3] is awaiting for sponsorshipl I hope to include them in the 
suite.

Feedback welcome.

Ref
----
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904256
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=989359
[3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=913289

-- 
Luya Tshimbalanga
Graphic & Web Designer
E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org
W: http://www.coolest-storm.net

[S.Kemter]

Hi Luya,

maybe think of adding Knotter also, its a cool new tool for easy creating
celtic knot and/or islamic pattern, its really cool. Benedikt Schäfer
packaged it during Flock, so its ready. Benedikt also asked me for some
other things he can package, so I gave him mypaint-xsheet

In case of Sozi I am not so sure its necessary as Inkscape has as default
already JessyInk what does the same and even more.


br gnokii

2013/8/13 Luya Tshimbalanga <luya(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

>  Hello Designers,
>
>  The incoming Design Suite for Fedora 20 brought more highlighted changes:
>  - Cinepaint is dropped due to bugs [1], CMYKTool allow conversion from RGB
>  to CMYK.
>  - Customized favorites activities on the dock (Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus,
>  Blender)
>  - Additional font: Titillium
>  - Additional plugins for both Gimp (normalmap, dds, high pass filter) and
>  Inkscape (sozi)
>  - In Gnome Shell, enable category feature
>
>  In consideration,
>  - possibly include classic session
>  - inclusion of some tutorials (like CMYK conversion)
>
>  I submitted a review request of Gimp Paint Studio [2] , packager of
>  separate+[3] is awaiting for sponsorshipl I hope to include them in the
>  suite.
>
>  Feedback welcome.
>
>  Ref
>  ----
>  [1]
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=904256<https://bugzilla....
>  [2]
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=989359<https://bugzilla....
>  [3]
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=913289<https://bugzilla....
>
>  --
>  Luya Tshimbalanga
>  Graphic & Web Designer
>  E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org
>  W: http://www.coolest-storm.net
>
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>
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[Luya Tshimbalanga]

Hi gnokii,

Thank you for mentioning Knotter which is currently under review.[1] 
Once it is ready, I will add it to the Design Suite.
I remove Sozi from the default because of duplication provided by JessyInk.
It is good to see more packages related to design stuff coming for more 
selection.

Luya

On 12/08/13 08:44 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
>  Hi Luya,
>
>  maybe think of adding Knotter also, its a cool new tool for easy 
>  creating celtic knot and/or islamic pattern, its really cool. Benedikt 
>  Schäfer packaged it during Flock, so its ready. Benedikt also asked me 
>  for some other things he can package, so I gave him mypaint-xsheet
>
>  In case of Sozi I am not so sure its necessary as Inkscape has as 
>  default already JessyInk what does the same and even more.
>
>
>  br gnokii
>
>  2013/8/13 Luya Tshimbalanga <luya(a)fedoraproject.org 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>
>      Hello Designers,
>
>      The incoming Design Suite for Fedora 20 brought more highlighted
>      changes:
>      - Cinepaint is dropped due to bugs [1], CMYKTool allow conversion
>      from RGB to CMYK.
>      - Customized favorites activities on the dock (Gimp, Inkscape,
>      Scribus, Blender)
>      - Additional font: Titillium
>      - Additional plugins for both Gimp (normalmap, dds, high pass
>      filter) and Inkscape (sozi)
>      - In Gnome Shell, enable category feature
>
>      In consideration,
>      - possibly include classic session
>      - inclusion of some tutorials (like CMYK conversion)
>
>      I submitted a review request of Gimp Paint Studio [2] , packager
>      of separate+[3] is awaiting for sponsorshipl I hope to include
>      them in the suite.
>
>      Feedback welcome.
>
>      Ref
>      ----
>      [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904256
>      [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=989359
>      [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=913289
>
>      -- 
>      Luya Tshimbalanga
>      Graphic & Web Designer
>      E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      W: http://www.coolest-storm.net
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>
>
>
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[twohot]

checking out JessyInk

Greetings all.


On 13 August 2013 08:08, Luya Tshimbalanga <luya(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>   Hi gnokii,
>
>  Thank you for mentioning Knotter which is currently under review.[1] Once
>  it is ready, I will add it to the Design Suite.
>  I remove Sozi from the default because of duplication provided by JessyInk.
>  It is good to see more packages related to design stuff coming for more
>  selection.
>
>  Luya
>
>
>  On 12/08/13 08:44 PM, S.Kemter wrote:
>
>  Hi Luya,
>
>  maybe think of adding Knotter also, its a cool new tool for easy creating
>  celtic knot and/or islamic pattern, its really cool. Benedikt Schäfer
>  packaged it during Flock, so its ready. Benedikt also asked me for some
>  other things he can package, so I gave him mypaint-xsheet
>
>  In case of Sozi I am not so sure its necessary as Inkscape has as default
>  already JessyInk what does the same and even more.
>
>
>  br gnokii
>
>  2013/8/13 Luya Tshimbalanga <luya(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>
> > Hello Designers,
> >
> > The incoming Design Suite for Fedora 20 brought more highlighted changes:
> > - Cinepaint is dropped due to bugs [1], CMYKTool allow conversion from
> > RGB to CMYK.
> > - Customized favorites activities on the dock (Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus,
> > Blender)
> > - Additional font: Titillium
> > - Additional plugins for both Gimp (normalmap, dds, high pass filter) and
> > Inkscape (sozi)
> > - In Gnome Shell, enable category feature
> >
> > In consideration,
> > - possibly include classic session
> > - inclusion of some tutorials (like CMYK conversion)
> >
> > I submitted a review request of Gimp Paint Studio [2] , packager of
> > separate+[3] is awaiting for sponsorshipl I hope to include them in the
> > suite.
> >
> > Feedback welcome.
> >
> > Ref
> > ----
> > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904256
> > [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=989359
> > [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=913289
> >
> > --
> > Luya Tshimbalanga
> > Graphic & Web Designer
> > E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org
> > W: http://www.coolest-storm.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
>
>
>
>
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[Kirk Bridger]

Hi Luya,

I like the idea of having some how-tos/tutorials for the design tools.  
What's your vision for these things?

For example tatica/Maria has several YouTube tutorials already available 
[1] on her channel.  Having a default browser page that links to these 
would be simple I believe?  Maybe not.

It would also be nice to have things like "how to do HDR in GIMP" and 
"intro to Inkscape".  Doing google (or duckduckgo) searches for 
tutorials often bring up things from 8 years ago and it is hard to know 
what are the best tutorials out there.  Perhaps providing some links to 
the better and more recent tutorials for common tasks in the design 
tools would be easy to do, too?

One other thing that occurs to me is to provide an orientation to the 
tools.  It is possible that a particular designer doesn't know about all 
the tools included in the spin.  We could also make suggestions for any 
hardware tools like the Color Hug [2] that work well with Fedora.  Color 
Hug works out of the box with Gnome's tools and it would be great to 
increase awareness about the project.

Just some thoughts I had after reading your email.  Would love to 
support this however I can.

Kirk



[1] http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKaTf52v2U7EYTA0iIQ3QeA
[2] http://www.hughski.com/


On 08/12/2013 08:37 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>  Hello Designers,
>
>  The incoming Design Suite for Fedora 20 brought more highlighted changes:
>  - Cinepaint is dropped due to bugs [1], CMYKTool allow conversion from 
>  RGB to CMYK.
>  - Customized favorites activities on the dock (Gimp, Inkscape, 
>  Scribus, Blender)
>  - Additional font: Titillium
>  - Additional plugins for both Gimp (normalmap, dds, high pass filter) 
>  and Inkscape (sozi)
>  - In Gnome Shell, enable category feature
>
>  In consideration,
>  - possibly include classic session
>  - inclusion of some tutorials (like CMYK conversion)
>
>  I submitted a review request of Gimp Paint Studio [2] , packager of 
>  separate+[3] is awaiting for sponsorshipl I hope to include them in 
>  the suite.
>
>  Feedback welcome.
>
>  Ref
>  ----
>  [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904256
>  [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=989359
>  [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=913289
>

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

We should keep the space on the DVD for software, there is a lot what is
not packaged yet. For tutorials there would be a bookmark in the browser
better. Might be a good idea to do a collecting page with the tutorials
that are done from the design team.

Not only colorhug works out of the box, but I would stay away from
suggesting it. A designer who knows about color profiling has already
another device (which work also out of the box). The difference between
colorhug and his device is only that colorhug is open hardware, but each
medal has two sides, so I can have a hug with its problems in red tones or
a proprietary device which has no problems.

Colorhug is more for beginners, to get a cheap and open device. I do know a
lot of ppl who bought one, even they dont know what to do with it example
hheigl. I did also a tutorial and video how to profiling ur monitor. But
there is a but the user should be in need for it and then he will already
know more things about CM otherwise u produce to many failures in profiling
and u will not get used to CM.


br gnokii


2013/8/14 Kirk Bridger <kirk(a)thebside.ca&gt;

>  Hi Luya,
>
>  I like the idea of having some how-tos/tutorials for the design tools.
>   What's your vision for these things?
>
>  For example tatica/Maria has several YouTube tutorials already available
>  [1] on her channel.  Having a default browser page that links to these
>  would be simple I believe?  Maybe not.
>
>  It would also be nice to have things like "how to do HDR in GIMP" and
>  "intro to Inkscape".  Doing google (or duckduckgo) searches for tutorials
>  often bring up things from 8 years ago and it is hard to know what are the
>  best tutorials out there.  Perhaps providing some links to the better and
>  more recent tutorials for common tasks in the design tools would be easy to
>  do, too?
>
>  One other thing that occurs to me is to provide an orientation to the
>  tools.  It is possible that a particular designer doesn't know about all
>  the tools included in the spin.  We could also make suggestions for any
>  hardware tools like the Color Hug [2] that work well with Fedora.  Color
>  Hug works out of the box with Gnome's tools and it would be great to
>  increase awareness about the project.
>
>  Just some thoughts I had after reading your email.  Would love to support
>  this however I can.
>
>  Kirk
>
>
>
>  [1]
> http://www.youtube.com/**channel/**UCKaTf52v2U7EYTA0iIQ3QeA<http://www...
>  [2] http://www.hughski.com/
>
>
>
>  On 08/12/2013 08:37 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>
> > Hello Designers,
> >
> > The incoming Design Suite for Fedora 20 brought more highlighted changes:
> > - Cinepaint is dropped due to bugs [1], CMYKTool allow conversion from
> > RGB to CMYK.
> > - Customized favorites activities on the dock (Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus,
> > Blender)
> > - Additional font: Titillium
> > - Additional plugins for both Gimp (normalmap, dds, high pass filter) and
> > Inkscape (sozi)
> > - In Gnome Shell, enable category feature
> >
> > In consideration,
> > - possibly include classic session
> > - inclusion of some tutorials (like CMYK conversion)
> >
> > I submitted a review request of Gimp Paint Studio [2] , packager of
> > separate+[3] is awaiting for sponsorshipl I hope to include them in the
> > suite.
> >
> > Feedback welcome.
> >
> > Ref
> > ----
> > [1]
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=904256<https://bugzilla....
> > [2]
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=989359<https://bugzilla....
> > [3]
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=913289<https://bugzilla....
> >
> >
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>  


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[Christopher Meng]

Any wishlists avail? I hope a wiki page can be set up.

[María Leandro]

Hey!

do we have some RAW development in there? rawtherapee, rawstudio or
darktable?

About videos. at flock we talk a lot about having videos for each team;
would be possible to have a short introduction video so people learn how to
join the Fedora Design team? probably as long with some url to tutorials on
the apps we are including in there?

hugs!


2013/8/15 Christopher Meng <cickumqt(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  Any wishlists avail? I hope a wiki page can be set up.
>  _______________________________________________
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>  


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http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:tatica
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[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 15/08/13 07:43 AM, María Leandro wrote:
>  Hey!
>
>  do we have some RAW development in there? rawtherapee, rawstudio or 
>  darktable? 
Darktable is currently the default for Design Suite. Rawtherapee and 
rawstudio are optional.


>  About videos. at flock we talk a lot about having videos for each 
>  team; would be possible to have a short introduction video so people 
>  learn how to join the Fedora Design team? probably as long with some 
>  url to tutorials on the apps we are including in there?
>  
It sounds like a good suggestion. Gathering those videos in either a 
wiki (may not be suitable) or page will do the trick.

Luya

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 15/08/13 12:03 AM, Christopher Meng wrote:
>  Any wishlists avail? I hope a wiki page can be set up.
>  _______________________________________________
>  
See 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist?rd=PackageMai...

It will be really grateful someone can keep track on inclusion of packages.

Luya

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

we should keep track of the development in 2D animation, there is a lot of
movement right now, Benedikt packages xsheet-mypaint, there is also dopey
its also based on mypaint, Pencil got a fork with Pencil2D, still hope for
an packager for Tupi2D

br gnokii


2013/8/15 Luya Tshimbalanga <luya(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

>  On 15/08/13 12:03 AM, Christopher Meng wrote:
>
> > Any wishlists avail? I hope a wiki page can be set up.
> > ______________________________**_________________
> >
> >
>  See https://fedoraproject.org/**wiki/Package_maintainers_**wishlist?rd=**
>
> PackageMaintainers/WishList#**Fedora_Design_Packages_**WishList<https:...
>
>  It will be really grateful someone can keep track on inclusion of packages.
>
>  Luya
>
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>  


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[Luya Tshimbalanga]

Added pencil2d to the wishlist. I read that dopey is a fork of 
xsheet-mypaint(github is dead) from its project[1], perhaps using that 
version would be the way to go for now.
Tupi is currently under review [2]. Apparently, no followup from the 
submitter at the moment.

Luya

Ref:
----
[1] https://github.com/dopeyanimation/dopey
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=906443


On 15/08/13 10:40 AM, S.Kemter wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  we should keep track of the development in 2D animation, there is a 
>  lot of movement right now, Benedikt packages xsheet-mypaint, there is 
>  also dopey its also based on mypaint, Pencil got a fork with Pencil2D, 
>  still hope for an packager for Tupi2D
>
>  br gnokii
>

[Christopher Meng]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
<luya(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On 15/08/13 12:03 AM, Christopher Meng wrote:
> >
> > Any wishlists avail? I hope a wiki page can be set up.
> > _______________________________________________
> >
>
>  See
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist?rd=PackageMai...
>
>  It will be really grateful someone can keep track on inclusion of packages. 
Hi all I will be half-online since this week.

So any ideas, thoughts and packages, please add them to the page
mentioned by luya, I can help package or review them.

Thanks.

[Christopher Meng]

What about fonts design package like birdfont:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978177

And fntsample:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=999998?

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 22/08/13 08:14 AM, Christopher Meng wrote:
>  What about fonts design package like birdfont:
>
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978177
>
>  And fntsample:
>
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=999998? 
Could you add them on design
software wiki under "Packages under review" 
[1]?
Would you like add yourself in the list?

Luya

[Christopher Meng]

OK.

[Kirk Bridger]

Hey,

The Color Hug discussion sounds interesting and might be worth putting 
somewhere, as I hadn't heard about this before now.  An FAQ about color 
profiling linked from the browser in the spin?

gnokki, could you please send me a link for your monitor profiling 
tutorial, I'd like to read/review it for my own education.

Luya - is there somewhere like a wiki page you want to use to document 
the ideas and links?  If not we can create something in the Fedora wiki, 
perhaps under the Design Team's page?

Kirk



On 08/15/2013 12:00 AM, S.Kemter wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  We should keep the space on the DVD for software, there is a lot what 
>  is not packaged yet. For tutorials there would be a bookmark in the 
>  browser better. Might be a good idea to do a collecting page with the 
>  tutorials that are done from the design team.
>
>  Not only colorhug works out of the box, but I would stay away from 
>  suggesting it. A designer who knows about color profiling has already 
>  another device (which work also out of the box). The difference 
>  between colorhug and his device is only that colorhug is open 
>  hardware, but each medal has two sides, so I can have a hug with its 
>  problems in red tones or a proprietary device which has no problems.
>
>  Colorhug is more for beginners, to get a cheap and open device. I do 
>  know a lot of ppl who bought one, even they dont know what to do with 
>  it example hheigl. I did also a tutorial and video how to profiling ur 
>  monitor. But there is a but the user should be in need for it and then 
>  he will already know more things about CM otherwise u produce to many 
>  failures in profiling and u will not get used to CM.
>
>
>  br gnokii
>

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

I know it because I spoke with hughsie about is at Linux CM Hackfest in
Brno last November, we shared a room. To bad CM hackfest this year in
Norway is cancelled.

The tutorial is written in german! http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=4017

I putted that post out, during the hackfest and I got the comment saying
that it has wrong red values and we discussed that on the hackfest.

br gnokii




2013/8/15 Kirk Bridger <kirk(a)thebside.ca&gt;

>  Hey,
>
>  The Color Hug discussion sounds interesting and might be worth putting
>  somewhere, as I hadn't heard about this before now.  An FAQ about color
>  profiling linked from the browser in the spin?
>
>  gnokki, could you please send me a link for your monitor profiling
>  tutorial, I'd like to read/review it for my own education.
>
>  Luya - is there somewhere like a wiki page you want to use to document the
>  ideas and links?  If not we can create something in the Fedora wiki,
>  perhaps under the Design Team's page?
>
>  Kirk
>
>
>
>
>  On 08/15/2013 12:00 AM, S.Kemter wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > We should keep the space on the DVD for software, there is a lot what is
> > not packaged yet. For tutorials there would be a bookmark in the browser
> > better. Might be a good idea to do a collecting page with the tutorials
> > that are done from the design team.
> >
> > Not only colorhug works out of the box, but I would stay away from
> > suggesting it. A designer who knows about color profiling has already
> > another device (which work also out of the box). The difference between
> > colorhug and his device is only that colorhug is open hardware, but each
> > medal has two sides, so I can have a hug with its problems in red tones or
> > a proprietary device which has no problems.
> >
> > Colorhug is more for beginners, to get a cheap and open device. I do know
> > a lot of ppl who bought one, even they dont know what to do with it example
> > hheigl. I did also a tutorial and video how to profiling ur monitor. But
> > there is a but the user should be in need for it and then he will already
> > know more things about CM otherwise u produce to many failures in profiling
> > and u will not get used to CM.
> >
> >
> > br gnokii
> >
> >
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[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 15/08/13 08:59 AM, Kirk Bridger wrote:
>  Hey,
>
>  The Color Hug discussion sounds interesting and might be worth putting 
>  somewhere, as I hadn't heard about this before now.  An FAQ about 
>  color profiling linked from the browser in the spin?
>
>  gnokki, could you please send me a link for your monitor profiling 
>  tutorial, I'd like to read/review it for my own education.
>
>  Luya - is there somewhere like a wiki page you want to use to document 
>  the ideas and links?  If not we can create something in the Fedora 
>  wiki, perhaps under the Design Team's page?
>
>  
hi Kirk,

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning

This wiki needs a revamp because it contained some outdated information.

Luya

[Onyeibo Oku]

On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 09:00 +0200, S.Kemter wrote:

>  . I did also a tutorial and video how to profiling ur monitor. But
>  there is a but the user should be in need for it and then he will
>  already know more things about CM otherwise u produce to many failures
>  in profiling and u will not get used to CM.
>  
>  
>  
>  br gnokii 

Would like to see the tutorial. :-)

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