graphic resources

[Salva Vivas]

Hello everyone

I am trying to download Fedora logo and some more resources to go doing
some tests with inkscape but it will not let me. He tells me I'm not
registered. "To perform this operation you need these TICKET_CREATE
permissions"

Is there any way you can download them?

[Nick Bebout]

If you would like the Fedora SVGs, please email [e-mail] and
explain what you would like to use them for.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Salva Vivas  wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> I am trying to download Fedora logo and some more resources to go doing
> some tests with inkscape but it will not let me. He tells me I'm not
> registered. "To perform this operation you need these TICKET_CREATE
> permissions"
>
> Is there any way you can download them?
>
> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Salva
>
> http://salvaestudio.com
>
> https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
>
> design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Salva Vivas]

The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with your
material.
The normal thing is that this material was in a place where we could
download it.
I do not understand why I have to send an email to ask permission and tell
what I will do with the Fedora logo. What do you think I'm going to do with
the logo?
I do not want to create controversy nor I say this angry although it seems,
it is simply, that I miss this way of working
I know that my English is very bad, I'm sorry

2016-11-28 20:30 GMT+01:00 Nick Bebout :
> If you would like the Fedora SVGs, please email [e-mail]
> and explain what you would like to use them for.
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Salva Vivas  wrote:
> > Hello everyone
> >
> > I am trying to download Fedora logo and some more resources to go doing
> > some tests with inkscape but it will not let me. He tells me I'm not
> > registered. "To perform this operation you need these TICKET_CREATE
> > permissions"
> >
> > Is there any way you can download them?
> >
> > --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > Salva
> >
> > http://salvaestudio.com
> >
> > https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
> >
> > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Eduard Lucena]

I'm not an active member of the design team, but I think you should read
this:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo

Before ask these questions. For example, the quick question about the font
(or typography) is that is paid, not open or free,

Br,

2016-11-28 16:52 GMT-03:00 Salva Vivas :
> The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
> logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with your
> material.
> The normal thing is that this material was in a place where we could
> download it.
> I do not understand why I have to send an email to ask permission and tell
> what I will do with the Fedora logo. What do you think I'm going to do with
> the logo?
> I do not want to create controversy nor I say this angry although it
> seems, it is simply, that I miss this way of working
> I know that my English is very bad, I'm sorry
>
> 2016-11-28 20:30 GMT+01:00 Nick Bebout :
> > If you would like the Fedora SVGs, please email [e-mail]
> > and explain what you would like to use them for.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Salva Vivas  wrote:
> > > Hello everyone
> > >
> > > I am trying to download Fedora logo and some more resources to go doing
> > > some tests with inkscape but it will not let me. He tells me I'm not
> > > registered. "To perform this operation you need these TICKET_CREATE
> > > permissions"
> > >
> > > Is there any way you can download them?
> > >
> > > --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > Salva
> > >
> > > http://salvaestudio.com
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
> > >
> > > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > project.org
> >
> > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Salva
>
> http://salvaestudio.com
>
> https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
>
> design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Salva Vivas]

Thanks Eduard

2016-11-28 21:03 GMT+01:00 Eduard Lucena :
> I'm not an active member of the design team, but I think you should read
> this:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo
>
> Before ask these questions. For example, the quick question about the font
> (or typography) is that is paid, not open or free,
>
> Br,
>
> 2016-11-28 16:52 GMT-03:00 Salva Vivas :
> > The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
> > logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with your
> > material.
> > The normal thing is that this material was in a place where we could
> > download it.
> > I do not understand why I have to send an email to ask permission and
> > tell what I will do with the Fedora logo. What do you think I'm going to do
> > with the logo?
> > I do not want to create controversy nor I say this angry although it
> > seems, it is simply, that I miss this way of working
> > I know that my English is very bad, I'm sorry
> >
> > 2016-11-28 20:30 GMT+01:00 Nick Bebout :
> > > If you would like the Fedora SVGs, please email [e-mail]
> > > and explain what you would like to use them for.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Salva Vivas 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello everyone
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to download Fedora logo and some more resources to go doing
> > > > some tests with inkscape but it will not let me. He tells me I'm not
> > > > registered. "To perform this operation you need these TICKET_CREATE
> > > > permissions"
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way you can download them?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > Salva
> > > >
> > > > http://salvaestudio.com
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
> > > >
> > > > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > > project.org
> > >
> > > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > project.org
> >
> > --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > Salva
> >
> > http://salvaestudio.com
> >
> > https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
> >
> > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
> Eduard Lucena
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>
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[Máirín Duffy]

On 11/28/2016 02:52 PM, Salva Vivas wrote:
> The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
> logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with
> your material.

I would love it if we could offer the logos as a self-service download 
but it's out of my hands - the trademark owner requires us to do it this 
way.

~m

[Salva Vivas]

Well this is not very typical of "linux", right? If it can be from
Microsoft or Apple. I thought I would collaborate in open with an open
source project and not with a private company. I already do this every day.

This disappoints me a bit but I am not who to say how you have to work,
that is evident. I am sorry.

2016-11-29 16:57 GMT+01:00 Máirín Duffy :
> On 11/28/2016 02:52 PM, Salva Vivas wrote:
> > The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
> > logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with
> > your material.
>
> I would love it if we could offer the logos as a self-service download but
> it's out of my hands - the trademark owner requires us to do it this way.
>
> ~m
>
> design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 05:20:06PM +0100, Salva Vivas wrote:
> Well this is not very typical of "linux", right? If it can be from
> Microsoft or Apple. I thought I would collaborate in open with an
> open source project and not with a private company. I already do this
> every day.

You are certainly welcome to collaborate — but we do have to follow
procedures to protect the integrety of our trademark. That's true for
open source projects and private companies alike.

For another example, see:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/identity/firefox/branding/

The rules we follow differ in details, but I don't think they're
onerous at all. For all the effort you've put into this back and forth,
you could probably have them by now.

[Salva Vivas]

In the page that you send me example I was able to download the logo
without problems and without having to give explanations to anyone. That
difference is very important.
Anyway I do not want to get into controversy or make you waste time with my
comments. Keep in mind that I make an opinion from outside, without knowing
the circumstances.
It is a general impression. The way it works is like that of a private
company. I prefer to collaborate (if my time allows) with people with that
"garage culture" that really needs it. Something more romantic not with
Trademarks.

Anyway, thanks for your explanations.

2016-11-29 17:37 GMT+01:00 Matthew Miller :
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 05:20:06PM +0100, Salva Vivas wrote:
> > Well this is not very typical of "linux", right? If it can be from
> > Microsoft or Apple. I thought I would collaborate in open with an
> > open source project and not with a private company. I already do this
> > every day.
>
> You are certainly welcome to collaborate — but we do have to follow
> procedures to protect the integrety of our trademark. That's true for
> open source projects and private companies alike.
>
> For another example, see:
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/identity/firefox/branding/
>
> The rules we follow differ in details, but I don't think they're
> onerous at all. For all the effort you've put into this back and forth,
> you could probably have them by now.
>
> --
> Matthew Miller
>
> Fedora Project Leader
> _______________________________________________
> design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 05:58:12PM +0100, Salva Vivas wrote:
> It is a general impression. The way it works is like that of a private
> company. I prefer to collaborate (if my time allows) with people with that
> "garage culture" that really needs it. Something more romantic not with
> Trademarks.

You can -- just please not with the trademarked logos.

[Salva Vivas]

http://design.ubuntu.com/downloads?metadata=element-logo+brand-ubuntu
Another example of how people can download logos without problems

2016-11-29 17:58 GMT+01:00 Salva Vivas :
> In the page that you send me example I was able to download the logo
> without problems and without having to give explanations to anyone. That
> difference is very important.
> Anyway I do not want to get into controversy or make you waste time with
> my comments. Keep in mind that I make an opinion from outside, without
> knowing the circumstances.
> It is a general impression. The way it works is like that of a private
> company. I prefer to collaborate (if my time allows) with people with that
> "garage culture" that really needs it. Something more romantic not with
> Trademarks.
>
> Anyway, thanks for your explanations.
>
> 2016-11-29 17:37 GMT+01:00 Matthew Miller :
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 05:20:06PM +0100, Salva Vivas wrote:
> > > Well this is not very typical of "linux", right? If it can be from
> > > Microsoft or Apple. I thought I would collaborate in open with an
> > > open source project and not with a private company. I already do this
> > > every day.
> >
> > You are certainly welcome to collaborate — but we do have to follow
> > procedures to protect the integrety of our trademark. That's true for
> > open source projects and private companies alike.
> >
> > For another example, see:
> > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/identity/firefox/branding/
> >
> > The rules we follow differ in details, but I don't think they're
> > onerous at all. For all the effort you've put into this back and forth,
> > you could probably have them by now.
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Miller
> >
> > Fedora Project Leader
> > _______________________________________________
> > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Salva
>
> http://salvaestudio.com
>
> https://twitter.com/salvaestudio

[Máirín Duffy]

Canonical is incorporated in the Isle of Man. The Fedora Project's 
trademarks are under United States trademark law.

Please believe me when I again say that I wish we could offer them for 
open download, but we cannot. The reasons for this are quite sound. 
Artists remix artwork all the time without sources anyway, FWIW...

~m

[Eduard Lucena]

This discussion probably happens a lot of times. IMHO the project being
opens, doesn't means that every little piece of it needs to be open. Fedora
is not the only example, ask about Firefox (iceweasel case) [1], or even
the Ubuntu logo [2]. Graphical elements are delicate, and since there are
detailed instructions to use it [3], I think there is no reaons for create
flames about not being open, or is less free for that.

Finally, there are legals about trademarks [4] that everyone should read.
This doesn't mean that you can't collaborate, just that some things are
more delicate than others.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_software_rebranded_by_Debian
[2] http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo
[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines
[4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines

Br,

2016-11-29 13:20 GMT-03:00 Salva Vivas :
> Well this is not very typical of "linux", right? If it can be from
> Microsoft or Apple. I thought I would collaborate in open with an open
> source project and not with a private company. I already do this every day.
>
> This disappoints me a bit but I am not who to say how you have to work,
> that is evident. I am sorry.
>
> 2016-11-29 16:57 GMT+01:00 Máirín Duffy :
> > On 11/28/2016 02:52 PM, Salva Vivas wrote:
> > > The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
> > > logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with
> > > your material.
> >
> > I would love it if we could offer the logos as a self-service download
> > but it's out of my hands - the trademark owner requires us to do it this
> > way.
> >
> > ~m
> >
> > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Salva
>
> http://salvaestudio.com
>
> https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
>
> design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[S.Kemter]

Hi,

2016-11-29 2:52 GMT+07:00 Salva Vivas :
> The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
> logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with your
> material.

as what? Define collaborate and fimliarize. Means if you would tell simple
what you want to do with, you would be a step further
> The normal thing is that this material was in a place where we could
> download it.
> I do not understand why I have to send an email to ask permission and tell
> what I will do with the Fedora logo. What do you think I'm going to do with
> the logo?
> I do not want to create controversy nor I say this angry although it
> seems, it is simply, that I miss this way of working
> I know that my English is very bad, I'm sorry

btw you have to do the same with SUSE logo
> 2016-11-28 20:30 GMT+01:00 Nick Bebout :
> > If you would like the Fedora SVGs, please email [e-mail]
> > and explain what you would like to use them for.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Salva Vivas  wrote:
> > > Hello everyone
> > >
> > > I am trying to download Fedora logo and some more resources to go doing
> > > some tests with inkscape but it will not let me. He tells me I'm not
> > > registered. "To perform this operation you need these TICKET_CREATE
> > > permissions"
> > >
> > > Is there any way you can download them?

br gnokii
> > > --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > Salva
> > >
> > > http://salvaestudio.com
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
> > >
> > > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > project.org
> >
> > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Salva
>
> http://salvaestudio.com
>
> https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
>
> design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Salva Vivas]

Collaborate
verb (used without object), collaborated, collaborating.

to work, one with another; cooperate, as on a literary work:
They collaborated on a novel.

*to work http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/work with
someone else http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/else
for a special
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/special purpose
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/purpose: *
Two writers http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/writer
collaborated on the script
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/script for the film
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/film.
A German http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/german
company http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/company
collaborated with a Swiss
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/swiss firm
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/firm to develop
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/develop the product
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/product.
The British and Italian
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/italian police
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/police collaborated
in catch http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/catching
the terrorists
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/terrorist.

*And in this case I add:*

Cooperate selflessly in an exciting project

2016-12-07 14:43 GMT+01:00 S.Kemter :
> Hi,
>
> 2016-11-29 2:52 GMT+07:00 Salva Vivas :
> > The normal thing is that you make it easy for us to collaborate. I need
> > logo and resources as typographies because I want to familiarize with your
> > material.
>
> as what? Define collaborate and fimliarize. Means if you would tell simple
> what you want to do with, you would be a step further
> > The normal thing is that this material was in a place where we could
> > download it.
> > I do not understand why I have to send an email to ask permission and
> > tell what I will do with the Fedora logo. What do you think I'm going to do
> > with the logo?
> > I do not want to create controversy nor I say this angry although it
> > seems, it is simply, that I miss this way of working
> > I know that my English is very bad, I'm sorry
>
> btw you have to do the same with SUSE logo
> > 2016-11-28 20:30 GMT+01:00 Nick Bebout :
> > > If you would like the Fedora SVGs, please email [e-mail]
> > > and explain what you would like to use them for.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Salva Vivas 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello everyone
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to download Fedora logo and some more resources to go doing
> > > > some tests with inkscape but it will not let me. He tells me I'm not
> > > > registered. "To perform this operation you need these TICKET_CREATE
> > > > permissions"
> > > >
> > > > Is there any way you can download them?
>
> br gnokii
> > > > --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > Salva
> > > >
> > > > http://salvaestudio.com
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
> > > >
> > > > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > > project.org
> > >
> > > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > project.org
> >
> > --
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > Salva
> >
> > http://salvaestudio.com
> >
> > https://twitter.com/salvaestudio
> >
> > design-team mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
> make me rich, buy my Inkscape book http://is.gd/yq5OD0 ;)
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