11:39 p.m.
Alright, sounds like a reasonable time for an update on the design
suite. From what I can see, we've the nightly snapshot builds working!
This is an awesome possibility for testing the images before they get
released, as those builds represent always the latest state. They are
available here:
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/design-suite/
In other news, I'd like to slim the whole thing a little more down, as
we're reasonably close to a good size and Nicu also noted that we're
shipping duplicating apps quite some use-cases right now.
More news to come... ;)
--Sebastian
4:51 a.m.
On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 06:39 +0100, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
Alright, sounds like a reasonable time for an update on the design
suite. From what I can see, we've the nightly snapshot builds working!
This is an awesome possibility for testing the images before they get
released, as those builds represent always the latest state. They are
available here:
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/design-suite/
In other news, I'd like to slim the whole thing a little more down, as
we're reasonably close to a good size and Nicu also noted that we're
shipping duplicating apps quite some use-cases right now.
More news to come... ;)
Hrm... 20100211 hanged on starting rsyslog, 20100214 hanged on starting
gdm, but startx from init 3 works... However liveinst does not start
because it's missing /tmp/updates directory. After I create it, it
starts but when I get to partitioning, my logical group and its volumes
is not recognized... Just downloading 20100216 to see if its any better.
And if not, I'll try desktop live to check if it's a problem of our spin
or a general issue... Oh... and... nmapplet doesn't show up.
As for a very very quick look on the content -- why do we have OOo
Impress but not the rest of the OOo suit (at least I haven't noticed it
in menus)? This is IMHO just duplicating some of Inkscape functionality.
--Sebastian
Martin
5:03 a.m.
On 02/17/2010 12:51 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
As for a very very quick look on the content -- why do we have OOo
Impress but not the rest of the OOo suit (at least I haven't noticed it
in menus)? This is IMHO just duplicating some of Inkscape functionality.
We didn't get yet to the step of making a decision if we remove
duplicates or no.
Probably the idea was Impress is design related, so it can fit the target.
Even if it is a poor duplicate of Inkscape (if you are used to Inkscape,
Impress is *frustrating*) I think if the space allow we should leave it
there and even add the rest of OpenOffice.org (the core is already
there, the rest is small potatoes), because it enables the user (the
Designer) to to stuff with his work, for example create a slideshow or
an article for publishing.
Sure, if the target is a single CD, then OOo should stay out completely,
no Impress, no nothing.
--
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
5:27 a.m.
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 13:03 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 02/17/2010 12:51 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
>
> As for a very very quick look on the content -- why do we have OOo
> Impress but not the rest of the OOo suit (at least I haven't noticed it
> in menus)? This is IMHO just duplicating some of Inkscape functionality.
We didn't get yet to the step of making a decision if we remove
duplicates or no.
Probably the idea was Impress is design related, so it can fit the target.
Even if it is a poor duplicate of Inkscape (if you are used to Inkscape,
Impress is *frustrating*) I think if the space allow we should leave it
there and even add the rest of OpenOffice.org (the core is already
there, the rest is small potatoes), because it enables the user (the
Designer) to to stuff with his work, for example create a slideshow or
an article for publishing.
Sure, if the target is a single CD, then OOo should stay out completely,
no Impress, no nothing.
Actually, reading your comment, I've realized that after so much time
without using OOo (about three years. I've been able to live with just
TeX and Inkscape and occasional abiword or gnumeric usage) I've totally
forgot that Impress is for creating presentations, not for drawing... So
disregard my comment... But having the whole OOo would make better sense
-- if I haven't missed something, we don't even have abiword there,
which means we completely miss word processor on the spin...
As far as space goes, something up to 1GB (not 1GiB!) would be perhaps
best -- CD is too small and 1GB USB flash is the first bigger than that.
Also I heard than lzma compression will be used in the future for
compressing the spins, so we might actually gain some more free space.
Martin
8:25 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:27:05 +0100,
Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As far as space goes, something up to 1GB (not 1GiB!) would be perhaps
best -- CD is too small and 1GB USB flash is the first bigger than that.
Also I heard than lzma compression will be used in the future for
compressing the spins, so we might actually gain some more free space.
That looks good, but not for F13 release. Maybe an update or for F14.
squashfs-tools should be there, but we also need 2.6.34 (which I can't
see happening for release) and a small change to livecd-creator.
For the games spin there is about a 10% savings when using lzma as compared
to zlib.
I am tracking the progress of this at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LZMA_for_Live_Images
There's a good chance it won't really be advertised as a feature, but I made
a feature proposal page for it just in case.
2:15 p.m.
Martin Sourada wrote:
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 13:03 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> On 02/17/2010 12:51 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
>>
>> As for a very very quick look on the content -- why do we have OOo
>> Impress but not the rest of the OOo suit (at least I haven't noticed it
>> in menus)? This is IMHO just duplicating some of Inkscape functionality.
>
> We didn't get yet to the step of making a decision if we remove
> duplicates or no.
>
> Probably the idea was Impress is design related, so it can fit the target.
>
> Even if it is a poor duplicate of Inkscape (if you are used to Inkscape,
> Impress is *frustrating*) I think if the space allow we should leave it
> there and even add the rest of OpenOffice.org (the core is already
> there, the rest is small potatoes), because it enables the user (the
> Designer) to to stuff with his work, for example create a slideshow or
> an article for publishing.
>
> Sure, if the target is a single CD, then OOo should stay out completely,
> no Impress, no nothing.
>
Actually, reading your comment, I've realized that after so much time
without using OOo (about three years. I've been able to live with just
TeX and Inkscape and occasional abiword or gnumeric usage) I've totally
forgot that Impress is for creating presentations, not for drawing... So
disregard my comment... But having the whole OOo would make better sense
-- if I haven't missed something, we don't even have abiword there,
which means we completely miss word processor on the spin...
As far as space goes, something up to 1GB (not 1GiB!) would be perhaps
best -- CD is too small and 1GB USB flash is the first bigger than that.
Also I heard than lzma compression will be used in the future for
compressing the spins, so we might actually gain some more free space.
Martin
Alright, so. I had given the snapshot from Feb 14 a try in a local VM
but didn't give installation a try, yet. I've also removed Impress,
Krita and GThumb lately - basically to see where we can get size-wise.
I'd like to kick off a quick convo about where we're heading with this.
Without these three said packages, we're getting close to 690 MB, which
is pretty nice, given that there's presumably still some bloat in
Rawhide (in previous release cycles, image sizes went down for me).
We could also throw Impress and the rest of the OpenOffice suite in,
though. 1 GB sounds like a good goal, then, indeed.
My goals for the next time are (I'll be traveling this weekend, so
expect some delay in reply)...
* to let us work out what we're targeting (size-wise). Except for these
three big ones above, I wouldn't see any blockers going for CD-size. But
I also don't think that we should limit ourselves here for no good reason.
* to get more packages in. I'd love to have pdfmod [1], capa [2],
rawtherapee [3] and possibly pinta [4] (as well as the others listed
here [5] - those don't need packaging, though). I had been talking to
some folks concerning capa and rawtherapee, but need to get that going
again.
* to put a link to Mo's Inkscape Class on the desktop or as a bookmark
in Firefox (a desktop icon - panda? ;) - will be presumably much easier).
* to think of more questions for [5], if needed.
--Sebastian
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537640
[2] http://capa-project.org/
[3] http://www.rawtherapee.com/
[4] http://www.pinta-project.com/
[5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design_Suite_Planning#Packages
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