Status of compiz(-fusion) for KDE
by Sebastian Vahl
What's the actual plan for the kde side of compiz? I was asked some
time ago to replace beryl with compiz(-fusion) on the KDE-LiveCD. ATM
compiz is lacking a configuration tool (former beryl-settings) and
also maybe a switcher for kwin <-> compiz (Kevin Kofler is investigating
these atm).
And there are also some (maybe dumb) questions:
- Will compiz(-fusion) obsolete beryl in the future?
- Is there a equivalent to beryl-manager that may be usuable for
switching kwin<->compiz (like beryl-manager does for beryl)?
Sebastian
15 years, 8 months
Re: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 23:17 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> > I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix
> > It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give
> > everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope.
> >
> > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask
> > again next year?
>
> I'm in! Let's not let this thread die! Who else is in?
/me too.
> ~m
--
behdad
http://behdad.org/
15 years, 8 months
panel launchers
by Matthias Clasen
I have built my preferred-apps-panel-launcher code into rawhide now.
Let me know if you see any problems with it.
Matthias
15 years, 8 months
current desktop spin
by Matthias Clasen
Hey Jeremy,
looking at a livecd spun today, I notice a number of issues:
1) rhgb is installed and on the kernel cmdline, but does not come up
2) didn't we decide to put nss-mdns on the livecd ?
3) my iso ended up at 726M, something must have grown considerably in
the last few days
15 years, 8 months
early-gdm redux ( I am sorry my way is better faster... for a desktop )
by Jon Nettleton
I understand there are a lot of smart people with a lot of great ideas
trying to make the boot process faster stronger better. I am sure
their stuff will be great when it is done, but for right here and now
I think my way is the best out of the box, for a desktop. Then again
who really cares how a server boots up, that should happen at most
twice a year if the systems administrator is any good.
Here is my Fedora 7 clean desktop and what happens. All default
things I install and use. I will give some comments.
S04dkms_autoinstaller <- already talked about on the dev list. I have
the code on my machine that does this when the kernel rpm is installed
if a dkms module fails to compile it uses grubby to fail boot to the
old kernel ( needs user notification and some way to re-run dkms with
updated packages and decide if it should boot the new kernel )
S04readahead_early <- in my new config actually slows down boot. I
want to move this code to a really early that runs from rc.sysinit
before gdm/rhgb starts
S05kudzu <- in my config could theoretically be an X app with a lot better gui
S06cpuspeed <- gone. I dumped the cpuspeed daemon and have moved
everything to use the in kernel governors and modules. I need a
better interface for this but for now I load all the modules in
/etc/sysconfig/modules and set ondemand as the default. This
configuration allows you to change the governor or statically set the
cpu freq through the gnome applet.
S07iscsid <- useless without network connectivity moved to a dispatcher.d script
S08ip6tables <- can be set here but should also be restarted by
dispatcher for future location change switches
S10network <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by
NetworkManagerDispatcher
S11auditd
S12restorecond
S12syslog
S13irqbalance <- not needed yet ( do we really need processes balanced
on processors until we are doing anything? )
S13iscsi <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher
S13mcstrans
S13rpcbind <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by
NetworkManagerDispatcher
S13setroubleshoot
S14nfslock <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by
NetworkManagerDispatcher
S15mdmonitor <- not needed yet ( This is desktop if we are running a
raid can wait until we have a gui to know abou tit )
S18rpcidmapd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by
NetworkManagerDispatcher
S19rpcgssd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by
NetworkManagerDispatcher
S22messagebus <- I think the system messagebus should be moved to my
early-gdm config. start it up way early, everything uses it and it
isn't like it should be turned on and off.
S25bluetooth <- should be started by udev/hal if appropriate bluetooth
devices are detected
S25netfs <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher
S26hidd <- should be started by udev/hal if appropriate bluetooth
devices are detected
S28autofs <- should be started by udev/hal if appropriate bluetooth
devices are detected
S50hplip <- should only be started if cups has a printer setup that
uses it. Possibly run by udev/hal.
S55cups <- This is a background process for the desktop. Until there
is a gui printing is worthless.
S55sshd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher
S56xinetd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by
NetworkManagerDispatcher (maybe?)
S58ntpd <- removed for a desktop install. Everything handled by NetworkManager
S90ConsoleKit
S90crond <- dumped I am using fcron
S90xfs <- gone
S95anacron <- dumped I am using fcron
S95atd <- dumped I am using fcron
S96readahead_later <- should be run through gdm PreFetchProgram
directive for a desktop
S97dhcdbd <- gone with NM 7.0
S98avahi-daemon <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by
NetworkManagerDispatcher
S98haldaemon <- should be way earlier in the boot process for a desktop
S99firstboot
S99local
So what do we get with my setup. GDM is the first thing out of nash
that starts. In the Init portion of gdm we start up rhgb and then
wait unit it ends to start the greeter. This means we can stop rhgb
anytime in the init process and login. I choose to stop it at S50.
So I put all my "essential" desktop services pre S50 and all my
server/post login services after S50. This gives me.
rc.sysinit
(I also move the acpi module section to /etc/sysconfig/modules )
/etc/sysconfig/modules/
acpi.modules
cpugov.modules
kvm.modules
udev-stw.modules
-> Starts system dbus
-> early-gdm
-> defers scheduled fsck's to shutdown ( still working on a good gui for this )
S11auditd
S12restorecond
S12syslog
S13mcstrans
S13nscd
S22messagebus
S25bluetooth
S30haldaemon
S35fcron
S40dhcdbd
S41NetworkManager
S42NetworkManagerDispatcher
Here we get the "parallel" boot that everyone talks about.
Based on whether the network is up or down we get.
S04iscsi
S05iscsid
S10ntpd
S15autofs
S16netfs
I have both these scripts checking if necessary rpc
services are running and
starting them if necessary.
S15sshd
S20avahi-daemon
S25avahi-dnsconfd
S60iscsi-target
S45ConsoleKit
S50GDMGreeter ( yeah we can login )
S55cups
S60mysqld
S61httpd
S64lm_sensors
.....this list can be any other services that are non-essential to login.
S99local
There it is short sweet. No fancy magic other than change some text
and symlinks. It gives cpugov and speed control in userspace and
fixes problems with network services dying when NM changes networks (
Dispatcher restarts things that helps clean up bad states ). Of
course the services based on hardware aren't there, however that
should easily be added to existing udev rules. On my Athlon 2500+
with a 7200 pata drive 8MB cache I go from power on to signon in 37
seconds, from grub selection I am between 28- 30 seconds to login
screen.
This method isn't perfect, but it works and takes no extra software.
Things can be made better by make rhgb use two way fifo pipes so the
entire init process can be redirected to it's vte, and we can export
the early-gdm X-server so exitsting text/X processes can use X instead
of ncurses. I am just proposing an option to something that doesn't
exist yet.
Jon
15 years, 8 months
Re: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Dimitris Glezos
Στις 20-09-2007, ημέρα Πεμ, και ώρα 23:17 -0400, ο/η Máirín Duffy
έγραψε:
> Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> > I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix
> > It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give
> > everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope.
> >
> > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask
> > again next year?
>
> I'm in! Let's not let this thread die! Who else is in?
I'm definitely in.
-d
--
Dimitris Glezos
Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B
http://dimitris.glezos.com/
"He who gives up functionality for ease of use
loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous)
--
15 years, 8 months
Desktop SIG meeting
by Matthias Clasen
Just a quick reminder that we are meeting again today, 18:00-19:00 UTC
(2pm-3pm EDT).
Possible things to talk about include the pre-test3 state, current
breakages, and maybe some outlook on what plans we have beyond F8.
Matthias
15 years, 8 months
Current Xorg behavior is unfriendly at best
by Arthur Pemberton
Ever since the behavior of having Xorg guess resolutions has been
implemented, I have little to no luck with it.
Of at least 6 fedora installs I've done since then it has never
guessed a resolution that is comfortable (for lack of a better word)
and on some occasions it has required rebooting into runlevel 3 - not
exactly a problem, but not very friendly. That ranges from desktop to
laptops, native to VM ( Parallels ) and standard to widescreen
displays.
It has deterred a computer savvy friend of mine from using Fedora
because on both attempts, installation went fie, but Xorgs choice of
resolution through his LCD into panic in which it turns off (forgot
the message it prints) - again, fairly easy for me to fix, but he
doesn't know how exactly and so has put it of, busy people.
Most annoying to me however is that I must put on my monitor, at least
before the gdm/kdm or i get a bloated, unusable resolution, it as
simple as Ctrl+Alt+Backspace but it is still quite annoying. I had set
several modes, now I have it down to just `Modes "1280x960"` and
still that behavior continues, I'm not sure why it doesn't trust my
xorg.conf.
I have a ViewSonic PF790 display and my Smolt UUID is
'a141fbad-6bc1-419a-a5e7-1c247d90184a' if that helps.
I should add that it did guess right on my laptop, but that might be
because my laptop only does 1024x768 and 800x600 - limited options
Arthur Pemberton
--
Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine
( www.pembo13.com )
15 years, 8 months
