Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35
by Hristo Petkov
Hi all,
Excuse me - just to ask: What is the idea of polishing F12 while F10 and F11 have fairly low reliability (in working with OpenOffice for example).
Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'.
Regards,
Christo Petkov
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1. [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Adam Williamson)
2. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen)
3. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Adam Williamson)
4. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen)
5. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (James Laska)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:09:14 -0700
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
Subject: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...
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From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...
I don't think there is much to discuss, though.
Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every
item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is
not a bug in any way.
I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be
considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way.
Matthias
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:01:30 -0700
From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 16:44 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list...
>
> I don't think there is much to discuss, though.
>
> Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every
> item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is
> not a bug in any way.
>
> I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be
> considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way.
I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.
Though looking at it again, it's a 'should' not a 'must' issue. Which by
my understanding means it's not intended to actually be a blocker (only
things on the release criteria page with the keyword 'must' indicate
things we'd block for).
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:37:03 -0400
From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
> some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
> more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
> is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.
I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a
bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from
the menus are not reflected in them.
As long as everybody is reasonable about this, it is not a big problem.
Matthias
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:42:32 -0400
From: James Laska <jlaska(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
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On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 07:37 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have
> > some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was
> > more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this
> > is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it.
>
> I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a
> bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from
> the menus are not reflected in them.
We'll be looking to refresh the release criteria in the near future.
I'm not sure exactly when we'll kick that off, but we'll be sure to
solicit feedback from all groups.
Thanks,
James
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13 years, 11 months
nautilus-python is broken?
by Debarshi Ray
PackageDB shows nautilus-python as orphaned and I found that some of
the packages with extensions written in Python (eg., Postr) are not
having their UIs displayed in Nautilus. So are these bindings
obsoleted or broken?
Cheers,
Debarshi
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imaginary part.
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13 years, 11 months
Gedit toolbar in rawhide
by Ani Peter
Hi,
During Fedora QA I came across the latest gedit -
gedit-2.28.0-1.fc12.i686. Unlike the earlier version - gedit
2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 in F11, in the latest gedit toolbar, except for
"Open", "Save" and "Undo", all other options have only icons and no
text. Appreciate if someone could confirm about these changes. I have
attached the screenshots for the same:
Gedit in English for F11 with toolbar containing all icons and text - [1]
Gedit in English for rawhide with toolbar containing icons and text only
for "Open", "Save" and "Undo"- [2]
Gedit in Malayalam (ml_IN) for rawhide with toolbar containing icons and
text only for "Open", "Save" and "Undo" - [3]
Please excuse me if the discussion on this topic is done already.
Thanking you
Best regards
Ani Peter
[1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44170901@N08/4055343234/
[2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44170901@N08/4055343170/
[3] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44170901@N08/4054601915/
13 years, 11 months
Some blurriness in gnome desktop
by Martin Sourada
Hi all,
I've been pondering this for a while, but there has been an increasing
amount of blurriness in desktop UI elements that haven't been (most
likely) designed by or even consulted with the gnome-art team (or fedora
design team). Some examples include (the top part of each picture is
screenshot, the bottom part is analogue done in inkscape to look crisp;
ignore the coloring, it's not important in these images):
* sound preferences [1]
* volume control with compositing [2]
* new tooltips [3]
It does not seem that the blurriness is intentional, so I though I'd
point it out. The problem is that if you're drawing fills you need to
start at integer x,y values for position; when drawing borders, they
need to be shifted by exactly half of their width (i.e. 0.5 px for 1px
wide borders) to look crisp. We are not working with very high DPI
display devices so this is important.
I think fixing these would nicely fit with your "polishes for F12"
project.
Martin
References:
[1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gnome-blurry/sound-preferences.png
[2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gnome-blurry/sound-volume.png
[3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gnome-blurry/tooltips.png
13 years, 11 months
Transparency on the new tooltips not working in Firefox?
by Adam Williamson
I haven't rebooted yet, but I've noticed the new tooltips are showing up
in newly-launched apps for me. Oddly, I can see the transparency in
Rhythmbox - I can partially see through the tooltip to rest of the
Rhythmbox interface 'below' - but not Firefox. The tooltips in Firefox
appear completely opaque. Just thought it was an oddity worth
mentioning.
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Adam Williamson
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13 years, 11 months
