While trying f13beta, I found out that (release notes) is available in
and in System>Documentation
Why is that?
Tareq Al Jurf
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Am Mittwoch, den 14.04.2010, 11:01 +0200 schrieb Jaroslav Reznik:
> On Wednesday 14 April 2010 10:47:12 Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Xfce for example has no agent ATM, so users should be free to
> > choose ether polkit-gnome or lxpolkit. This could be easily done it we
> > allowed installing them individually. The choice which one is started
> > could be easily done graphically in the session properties.
> For desktops that ships own polkit agent you don't need this freedom. Actually
> it's quite bad - own polkit agent is usually designed to be an integral part
> of it. For now - polkit-kde is standalone package but it's for now before
> transition from the old one to new one is done. Then we'd like to have it as
> part of kdebase-workspace again and shipped together. Of course - situation
> for other desktops could be different (Xfce etc.) and this has to be solved.
I agree with you for KDE: KDE is a big all-in-one desktop environment
and polkit-kde is the only Qt based agent It doesn't make sense to use
another agent but the KDE one, so it makes sense to add it to
For the GTK based desktops the situation is a little different, at least
for Xfce and LXDE. People should be free do decide if they prefer the
lightweight version of LXDE of the more powerful agent of GNOME. Let's
not make the same mistakes than Xubuntu and Lubuntu. I'm pretty sure our
spins wouldn't be as successful if we followed there approach and make
Xfce or LXDE just another GNOME.
On 04/13/2010 12:53 PM, charles zeitler wrote:
> at the risk of being annoying-
> what is the "default configuration"?
> the same as the "default spin"?
Yes. The default package set and configuration for the Desktop Live CD.
On 04/13/2010 12:07 PM, charles zeitler wrote:
> did i get this wrong? isn't gpk short for gnome-package-kit ?
Yes, it is. Fedora Desktop Live CD includes GNOME PackageKit by
default and we are only talking about the default configuration in our
I just booted the latest Xfce nightly and I was shocked by the massive
changes in gnome-icon-theme: Instead of 6597 icons as in F12,
gnome-icon-theme now only provides 2434 icons. This means that nearly
all of the icons are missing in Xfce, LXDE and many more applications.
I know the icon naming guidelines have changed a while back, but there
were symbolic links for backwards compatibility. Please bring them back.
It is already to late to fix the huge number of packages that are broken
now and the change was never announced to the other maintainers.
I'd like to kindly remind all maintainers of their responsibility to
"notify others_of_changes_that_may_affect_their_packages" . This is
very important thing, there is a whole paragraph about it on the wiki
page. Please honor it!
Please tell me what will happen to gnome-icon-theme now or how the
maintainers are supposed to fix their packages in time for F13.
I recently mentioned in response to another message that I am interested
in making fedora more accessible. Let me give a little information of
what I find the state of accessibility in fedora is at the moment.
The first task is to get fedora installed, at the moment the LiveCD
looks like the best option (there is a speakup modified version but this
has serious limitations, some coming from the limitations of the text
based installer of fedora and some relating to the speakup screen reader
eg. I think speakup modified fedora requires a hardware speech
synthesiser connected to an onboard serial port). At the moment the
LiveCD contains all the correct packages to make it possible for a blind
individual to perform an install of fedora independently without any
extra hardware (IE. all they need is a computer which allows X to run
and that the sound card works by default, my dell 510m laptop meets this
fine, so probably do many other computers).
Although it is possible to install fedora independently as a blind user,
I do hit a number of issues which can catch out even an experienced
linux user, and so may entirely block a new comer. I will list two
possible improvements which shouldn't take much to alter.
1. Add a log in sound to the default sound theme, otherwise how does a
totally blind user know when the LiveCD is booted? That is particularly
a problem when using a USB drive instead of a CD as there are no
mechanical parts which make a noise while the drive is reading.
2. Once a blind user has the orca screen reader running on the LiveCD,
if they select the icon on the desktop to install to HD orca sees the
installer window as inaccessible. This is due to the installer running
with extra privileges and fedora not being configured to allow orca to
work with applications running like this. This can be simply solved by
adding a file named /etc/orbitrc containing the following two lines:
How possible would it be to have these changes made (particularly to the
There are a few more changes which would help, some of them possibly
having a greater impact but may take more work to solve, I think I will
leave those for the moment, little by little.
Maybe it is most appropriate to choose the best packages and to include them into the repository list of the Distro by default.
When the user writes down into the search box of the GUI of the Package Installer:
the packages will appear in a list.
To install the spellchecker he may write:
How will the user guess to do this - I have no idea.
Most of the users do not read any specifications and instructions at all - they just run what they guess.
Maybe an .sh autorun file with an icon reference to the Desktop will do the job.
This could be done BTW with some other APPS as well - like for example with the VLC media player.
A quick report on the current delta between F-12 and F-13's CD
(generated by my just-committed script
Some highlights are that we added some OS components and apps:
+ "shotwell 2582122
+ "gnome-color-manager 3079621
+ "sssd 4135276
+ "seahorse 7142974
+ "planner 6285529
There's a lot of added packages here, which I think is at least partly
due to the comps unification work.
- "gnupg 5073185
- "rhino 826258
- "abiword 15361
- "libabiword 24396251
- "java-1.6.0-openjdk 84493096
The Abiword removal was due to the goal that the CD is just the
desktop, shrunk to fit.
And finally the biggest winners in terms of package size growth:
= "kernel 2667526
= "empathy 2979990
= "libgweather 3184637
= "mesa-dri-drivers 21609392
The full report is attached.