desktop May 2011

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GNOME Shell fixes
by Misha Shnurapet 19 Jun '11

19 Jun '11

Hello, teams! Is there any chance for this to land in Fedora 15? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=701609 It is rather an important fix because it changes the label of the search bar in Overview mode which is currently mistranslated. The fix is on its way to upstream, but they say the earlier it shows up is the next version of GNOME 3 that is to come out this Autumn. Getting it in sooner is strongly desired. Thank you. -- Best regards, Misha Shnurapet, Russian L10N Team https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Shnurapet shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306

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Ready to support
by joseph reni 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

My name is Joseph Reni, I am a research psychologist by trade (I am a civilian scientist for NAWCTSD) , I work specifically in interface design research. Most of my experience is in setting up and deploying user analyses research through surveys and interactive assessments. I love prototyping and the interface development workflow. I am also a masters student at Iowa state University. I am excited to start working with Fedora usability and design. I would love it if someone seasoned within this community could give me a call to help get off to a running start, direct email would also be fine. I am hoping to find my niche within a Fedora community and start being a valued contributor. Thanks. Joseph Reni OS: Fedora 15 4079525163 (please call any time)

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GTK+2 Adwaita-y theme
by Adam Williamson 31 May '11

31 May '11

Hey, folks. So I recall it was mentioned before that the reason there isn't a real Adwaita for GTK+ 2 is simply that no-one got around to doing it yet. There's a thread on the -devel list which linked to a thread in the Ubuntu forums where some people have apparently been doing this off their own bat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1764856 the -devel list poster recommended the version done by ceramicm, which can be found on page 3: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1764856&page=3 I don't know if this work is clean enough to be upstreamable, but if so, maybe we could contact ceramicm to try and get the work integrated? (Note I haven't actually tested / looked at this theme yet, I just thought it would be a good idea to pass it along to a relevant list.) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Hello All
by joseph reni 28 May '11

28 May '11

My name is Joseph Reni, I am a research psychologist by trade (I am a civilian scientist for NAWCTSD) , I work specifically in interface design research. Most of my experience is in setting up and deploying user analyses research through surveys and interactive assessments. I love prototyping and the interface development workflow. I am also a masters student at Iowa state University. I am excited to start working with Fedora usability and design. I would love it if someone seasoned within this community could give me a call to help get off to a running start, direct email would also be fine. Thanks. Joseph Reni 4079525163 (please call any time) -- Joseph Reni

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Installer + InitialSetup
by Jóhann B. Guðmundsson 21 May '11

21 May '11

Now this is what I call an Installer and Initial setup for the novice desktop end users! Finally the time has come where my mom ( given her old age ) can Install linux ;) This is excellent work. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/Installer https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/InitialSetup It would be good to get this landed as soon as possible in rawhide if the intent is to introduce this during F16 development cycle since we need to perform extensive testing on installation. JBG

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Dropped 'Other' category release criterion
by Adam Williamson 18 May '11

18 May '11

As discussed between QA and desktop teams on these lists, I've now dropped the Final release criterion which stated "There must be no ''Other'' menu or category" (referring to the system menus). I also adjusted the desktop menus test case - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_desktop_menus - to reflect this change. Vhumpa, if you could adjust your desktop validation test results accordingly that'd be great :) For the record, the diffs are: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_15_Final_Release_Criteri… https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=QA:Testcase_desktop_menus&diff=… thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Disabling effects per display
by Jóhann B. Guðmundsson 17 May '11

17 May '11

Is there a way to disable the effects which happens when pressing the windows button or when clicking per display connected to the computer? If you need a use case where this is turning out to be terrible sit down in your living room with your partner hook your laptop to your tv via hdmi start playing the latest episode of your partner favourite show. Notice that pressing the window button on the keyboard or moving the mouse to "Activities" will produce a sound from you partner at the same time that will distracts you from the work you a trying to get done on the laptop at the same time.... JBG

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Multiseat support
by Sergio Pascual 16 May '11

16 May '11

Hi list. Is there any advance in multiseat support in Fedora from what is explained here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat? Regards

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Fedora 15 Final RC3 available: desktop testing needed!
by Adam Williamson 16 May '11

16 May '11

Hey, everyone. So the third release candidate for the final Fedora 15 release is now up, and this time we have live images, that work! I'm so excited. (For RC1 and RC2 we had a couple of bugs which stopped some of the live images from composing, and stopped those that *did* compose from actually booting). So as always, we need some desktop validation testing! You can find the images at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/15.RC3/Live/ . The desktop test instructions/results page is: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_15_Final_RC3_Desktop Grab an image, go to that page, click on the 'test case' links, do the tests, and enter your results in the 'Test Matrix' table. I'm afraid there is no 'profit' step, except the warm fuzzy feeling you get when contributing to a new Fedora release. We need to do all the tests for the 'desktop', 'fallback' (GNOME 3 fallback mode), and 'KDE' columns at least, and it'd be good to get the tests done for the other desktops too so we know where they stand. If you hit any bugs which are complete fails for any of the tests, please file them at http://bugzilla.redhat.com and mark them as blocking the bug 'F15Blocker' (or if you don't have the privileges to do so, poke me and I'll do it). Thanks! If you have any questions, do go ahead and ask. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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user dirs in f16
by Matthias Clasen 12 May '11

12 May '11

Since gnome3 does no longer show the desktop folder contents on the desktop, having 'Desktop' show up in the file chooser is confusing, at best. Thankfully, GTK+ already hides it if it is the same as HOME. So, for F16 I plan to change the default xdg-user-dirs configuration to set Desktop=HOME. Existing users will not be affected by this change. Matthias

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Drop Pino from default list for Fedora 15
by Rahul Sundaram 10 May '11

10 May '11

Hi As a co-maintainer, I would note that it is not in a very usable state and upstream is not going to fix these issues in time for the Fedora 15 release. You can replace it with Hotot or Gwibber if it is better or if it too late to be doing this, just not ship with a micro blogging client at all and evaluate one of the options for the next release. Thanks Rahul

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Re: release criteria revisions
by Adam Williamson 10 May '11

10 May '11

On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 21:07 +0000, BeartoothHOS wrote: > How is that paradigm meant to apply to those absent-minded souls > among us who disremember what an otherwise familiar item is called? There > are a bunch of things (in fact more as time passes, alas!, especially > anent renamed ones) that I find by groping toward a mental picture of > something "down over about there." My verbal memory is crammed with > languages living and dead, but my pictorial memory has a little room left. One, Matthias said 'primary'; the tree view still exists, it's just expected that most of the time you'll find it more efficient to search. Two, you can search on description as well as name, so if you know what the thing does, you can probably find it. > > Bingo! I was trying to recall history reading old mailing list posts, > > but Adam nails it. That matches my recollection of where that criteria > > comes from. > > Am I missing an obvious remedy?? Since it was considered, surely > some remedy *was* found and accepted. For the Other category? We have various approaches, discussed in the bug report, but it's not certain we'll adopt any of them for release time. One is to dump all the Settings category items in System Tools, another is to retain the Administration and Preferences categories from F14, yet another is to just have Preferences and have all Settings category entries in there. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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release criteria revisions
by Matthias Clasen 09 May '11

09 May '11

James has asked me to write something about the desktop-related release criteria in the light of bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=697834 Starting with the bug itself, I'll state that I don't think it is a blocker that we should fix for F15. It has made it to the blocker list because it seems to violate the release criterion that there shall be no 'Other' menu in the panel menus. Why did we put this in the release criteria ? Selecting from a long menu is difficult, you can't actually see the content hidden behind the menuitem until you perform a reasonably hard fine-motor-control task, and it is hard to back out of submenu should it not contain what you are looking for. In fact, these difficulties with hierarchical menus were one of the main underlying motivations for the design of the shell overview. Not surprisingly, the shell overview does not have these problems, mostly. The primary mode of interaction with the overview is search; you just start typing. The presence of the unsorted 'Other' grab-bag category is still an annoyance, but since categories are much less prominent, it is just a minor annoyance. Looking at the rest of the 'Menu sanity' bullet points in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Final_Release_Criteria some of these codify the GNOME2 user experience and are not really adequate for GNOME3: > All Applications listed in the desktop menus must have icons which > have a consistent appearance and sufficiently high resolution to avoid > appearing blurry No problem with this one, although it should really be a bit more concrete: the shell overview works best if the application icon is available as a 256x256 png. > All applications listed under the Applications menu or category must start > successfully No doubt still relevant. > All applications listed under the Applications menu or category must withstand > a basic functionality test and not crash after a few minutes of normal use. Of course. > They must also have working Help and Help -> About menu items This one needs revision or clarification, I think. First of all, talking about menu items only makes sense if one assumes a classical menubar-toolbar-content-statusbar application layout. The developing GNOME3 HIG will de-emphasize this pattern in favor of menubar-less designs. And even if an application does have a menubar, maybe it does not need help because it is very obvious ? Wrt. to 'About', one thing we are aiming for in GNOME3 is to have 'unbranded utilities' which are part of the core desktop. 'About' dialogs mostly make sense for applications which have a 'personality' and are not just part of the desktop. In short: applications can have an about dialog, but the shell overview also shows things which are not applications in that sense. Last question on this criterion is: What is the consequence ? If an application does not have an about dialog, do we really expect to hold the release until the packager has patched one in, collected the necessary translations, written a manual, hooked it up, etc ? This really feels more like a criterion to consult when choosing the applications to include on the spin. > There must be no Other menu or category I've already talked about this. I really don't see us block a release for this, but having meaningful classifications for all applications is certainly a useful thing to keep in mind somehow. In fact, I think that would be a more useful criterion. > No application may unintentionally appear twice in the menus. In particular, > items under System must not appear under Applications This basically does not apply to the shell overview. It does not have the Applications vs System dichotomy, and I think allowing overlapping classifications would actually be a very useful thing in the overview; if not for the fact that the desktop entry spec codifies mutual exclusion for primary categories, IIRC. Matthias

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gnome activity journal
by Clyde E. Kunkel 06 May '11

06 May '11

Hi, Does the activity journal work in F15 RC1? I installed it yesterday, but nothing is showing up in it. TIA -- Regards, OldFart

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F15 Final TC1 desktop validation open
by Adam Williamson 05 May '11

05 May '11

Hey, folks. Just a quick note that Fedora 15 Final TC1 (that's Test Compose 1, a pre-RC build we do while still unfrozen to shake out major bugs before we hit the RC stage) is now available: http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/15.TC1/ Live images are available for all four desktops, as are DVD and net install images. if you could all help out with the desktop validation: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Desktop_validation_testing that'd be great. The validation page for TC1 is up at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_15_Final_TC1_Desktop Greatest Hits so far: * icon issues in Xfce and LXDE is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=702067 * Caribou crashing on login to non-GNOME desktops is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698603 * A lot of apps present in the 'Other' category in GNOME is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=697834 -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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A very strange problem occurs with fed 15 + gnome 3 beta
by Alexander Volovics 05 May '11

05 May '11

This is probably not the right place to post but I suspect somebody here can give me a helpful hint. I have been running the fed15/gnome3 beta on my laptop without any problems up till now but something very curious has happened. I cannot boot a live cd on this laptop anymore! The cd drive lights flash, it makes some noises and then instead of the BIOS giving priority to the cd drive it seems as if fed15 just steams ahead and takes control instead of the distro on the cd and up pops the fed15 bootloader/manager screen again. It does not make a difference if I restart or shutdown and power up again. The laptop is configured to boot from cd. The live cd (fed15 + xfce) works perfectly in another pc. I can mount the cd drive and look at the contents, unmount it and eject the drive. The same happens with another live cd (ubuntu 11.04). Booting a live cd worked perfectly under the previous OS: fed14. Before I file a bug report I would like to know if I am overlooking some (configuration) quirk of fed15/gnome3, something that has changed from fed14. And if a file a bug, under what system or OS component. Alexander

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Autostart Empathy
by Michael Cronenworth 04 May '11

04 May '11

Is Empathy supposed to start automatically? I'm running on a F14->F15 system (preupgrade) and I have to manually kick it off on login. Sure, I could create a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart, but I'd like to know if there's something missing on my system.

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Disable accessibility panel icon
by Michael Cronenworth 04 May '11

04 May '11

Is there a nice way to prevent the accessibility panel icon from showing? I have no problem with it existing for people that need it, but I do not need it. For now I have manually edited it out of /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/panel.js and it is gone, but I would like to know if there is an alternative. I poked around gsettings and did not find any keys that would disable it (nor did the java script give any hints on it looking at gsettings keys).

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No more panel applets?
by Christoph Wickert 03 May '11

03 May '11

I wonder how to add panel applets to the panel in fallback mode of F15 Beta. There is no menu on right click. If panel applets are no longer supported we need * an announcement to all packagers * to retire all applets and block them from F15 and rawhide * gnome-panel properly obsolete the retired packages * to have this documented in the release notes Did I forget something? Regards, Christoph

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