Alt+Tab on screen display not disappearing
by Ryan Lerch
Just wondering if anyone else has experienced in F18 (GNOME3.6) a weird
bug where the alt+tab switcher does not disappear?
When it happens, i can press press alt+tab again and other switcher is
displayed under (z-index wise) the one already on the screen. If i keep
pressing alt+tab, these layer up also.
The annoying part is that when you go to restart the shell, (with
alt+f2), that overlay does not get keyboard focus, so you can't restart
it from there. The only way to restart the shell is to switch to another
tty, and kill the gnome-shell process with kill -9
anyone else experiencing this issue?
cheers,
ryanlerch
10 years, 4 months
Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
by Seth Vidal
I never said anything about packing up toys or removing anything. I am saying discussion is not productive and not getting anywhere. No toys being packed up, just choosing to play with our other toys.
-sv
Ray Strode <rstrode(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>> Here's my 2c take on it. GDM isn't the only Display manager. If the
>> gnome project doesn't want to do what we want in terms of a logo on
>> the
>> DM then let's move to lightdm or one of the others and theme it
>> however
>> we want.
>
>Well hang on now. There's a huge overlap between the fedora desktop people and gnome people.
>Like I said earlier, we all where multiple hats.
>
>This clearly isn't a "fedora desktop" versus "gnome" fight here. It's just a technical disagreement between specific individuals.
>And that's fine. We don't all have to agree one every detail as long as we agree on the general direction.
>
>And we can resolve technical disagreements through discussion. We don't need to pack up our toys and go home or whatever.
>
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10 years, 6 months
Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
by Marco Scannadinari
Did I send this email? It wasn't appearing in my Sent folder...
"... the logo was felt to be a distracting ... [-] The logo was a strong
visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to it,
making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the parts of
the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user list)."
- Allan Day
TBH I don't think that the logo is 'distracting' - it won't affect my
ability to click on my account and log in, and it won't make the process
any faster if it was gone - but I think that the Fedora logo embossed
into the background would look much nicer and less visually intrusive
anyway:
Wordmark http://i.imgur.com/hoksPXG.png
Wordmark + Logomark http://i.imgur.com/PQ8xAXz.png
Excuse the crude lighting effects - I hand-drew them - but you get the
concept.
If anyone wants a blank gdm screen for mock ups by the way, here it is -
http://i.imgur.com/9lnPHbd.png
<rant type="offtopic">On a side note, isn't the 'Not listed?' link
useless? If the user
isn't listed in gdm, then it's either a bug or the account isn't
created, right? Even if the account was created to be hidden, 'Not
listed?' is obvious to the user because: a) (s)he deliberately created
the account to be invisible, and b) It implies that there is something
wrong with the software.</rant>
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10 years, 6 months
Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
by Grant Keinzley NZCyberTek
>> ... which, since many distributors of GNOME need to account for this
>> case,
>> seems reasonable enough reason to have that space reserved in both
>> the
>> login screen and any boot-time display (e.g. plymouth) already for a
>> logo,
>> and for Fedora to put its logo there.
>
> It sounds like we're going to have a logo in Fedora in any case, but
> just for the sake of making my point clear, I really don't see why
> the
> former (having that possibility available for specific use cases of
> some
> users) would necessarily imply the latter (put a Fedora logo there
> for
> all users).
>
> Cosimo
apologies to all for adding the full conversation at end of my previous
post....still setting up my mail server, and getting used to it's
quirks.
@ Cosimo....
I think on install package Fedora needs it's logos shown and so they
should be.
What the admin does after that to the mass install version is their own
prerogative.
They are going going to do it anyways...That's what the Corp heads want
and as such is done.
But to decide to drop the logos on release version is to say we are
pre-thinking that event to which there is no need.
nothing wrong with a slide up of the dress to show a bit of
thigh....for that's what it is...you want then here it is honey come and
get it.
I would like to pass the vote....go with the logo's....never seen an
admin not look at the pretty thigh and smile back :)
GrantK
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NZ Cyber Tek
10 years, 6 months
Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
by Grant Keinzley NZCyberTek
On 2013-03-20 06:35, desktop-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
> Send desktop mailing list submissions to
> desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Another alternative (Hi I am new here) is set the installer for default
to logo on startup and login screens. If the Admin is insistent to lock
the system down for his/her company or org's use then at root desktop
include a mod to the display settings so the administrator can have the
choice of logo show / not show when running the mass-install.
both of these suggestions have been done before....the mod I first saw
in a Free BSD KDE desktop environment, and simple user configs allowed
during installation in Grub.
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> 1. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
> 2. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
> 3. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Allan Day)
> 4. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Allan Day)
> 5. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Ryan Lerch)
> 6. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
> 7. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Debarshi Ray)
> 8. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Cosimo Cecchi)
> 9. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
> 10. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Ryan Lerch)
> 11. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Cosimo Cecchi)
> 12. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
> 13. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Cosimo Cecchi)
> 14. Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen (Máirín Duffy)
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> Subject: Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
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> On Tue 19 Mar 2013 07:28:27 AM EDT, Allan Day wrote:
>> A bit of background:
>>
>> The change during the 3.8 cycle was based on a couple of factors.
>> First, the logo interfered with the layout of the login screen: it's
>> a
>> prominent visual presence that creates another anchor point which
>> conflicts with the other elements on the screen (ie. it is
>> horizontally centered, which clashes with the anchor points in the
>> user list). Second, the logo was felt to be a distracting presence.
>> We've made an effort to make sure that the most important elements
>> are
>> the most visually prominent, and we want the primary interaction
>> points to be the ones that jump out at you. The logo was a strong
>> visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to it,
>> making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the parts
>> of the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user
>> list). Third and finally, having the logo in its previous position
>> limited the size to which the user list could grow when there are a
>> large number of users.
>>
>> My preference is to focus the user interface on providing the best
>> user experience possible. That means prioritising the things that
>> people need to use, reducing distraction and making the UI look
>> great.
>> The addition of a logo diminishes the user experience along each of
>> these dimensions.
>>
>> The proposal to replace the logo with a simple string in the
>> top-left
>> hand corner is intended to mitigate the negative impact of including
>> a
>> logo while retaining a visual reference to the distributor. However,
>> the usability issue that Ryan brought up is a valid concern about
>> this
>> proposal.
>>
>> It has been suggested that not including the logo somehow weakens
>> distributions' ability to brand their products. My view is that this
>> is not the case. Branding is not the practice of slapping logos onto
>> products. Instead, it is the attempt to instill and promote positive
>> associations with the brand. The best way to do that, in my opinion,
>> is to make the user experience as good as it can possibly be. If you
>> diminish the user experience through the addition of a logo, then
>> you
>> actually harm the brand: you make the product worse, and in the
>> process you make it less likely that people will think good things
>> about your brand.
>
> I suppose we are at a complete impasse then; to me it is completely
> unacceptable to completely debrand the operating system. You do
> realize
> there are usability implications with that - namely, people don't
> even
> know what they are running in order to obtain help with it or even
> identify the type of system they are using.
>
> You have basically posed here that there is no way you will accept a
> logo on the login screen. How is a compromise possible then?
>
> ~m
>
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> On Tue 19 Mar 2013 08:34:02 AM EDT, M=C3=A1ir=C3=ADn Duffy wrote:
>> On Tue 19 Mar 2013 07:28:27 AM EDT, Allan Day wrote:
>>> A bit of background:
>>>
>>> The change during the 3.8 cycle was based on a couple of factors.
>>> First, the logo interfered with the layout of the login screen:
>>> it's a
>>> prominent visual presence that creates another anchor point which
>>> conflicts with the other elements on the screen (ie. it is
>>> horizontally centered, which clashes with the anchor points in the
>>> user list). Second, the logo was felt to be a distracting presence.
>>> We've made an effort to make sure that the most important elements
>>> are
>>> the most visually prominent, and we want the primary interaction
>>> points to be the ones that jump out at you. The logo was a strong
>>> visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to
>>> it,
>>> making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the
>>> parts
>>> of the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user
>>> list). Third and finally, having the logo in its previous position
>>> limited the size to which the user list could grow when there are a
>>> large number of users.
>>>
>>> My preference is to focus the user interface on providing the best
>>> user experience possible. That means prioritising the things that
>>> people need to use, reducing distraction and making the UI look
>>> great.
>>> The addition of a logo diminishes the user experience along each of
>>> these dimensions.
>>>
>>> The proposal to replace the logo with a simple string in the
>>> top-left
>>> hand corner is intended to mitigate the negative impact of
>>> including a
>>> logo while retaining a visual reference to the distributor.
>>> However,
>>> the usability issue that Ryan brought up is a valid concern about
>>> this
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>> It has been suggested that not including the logo somehow weakens
>>> distributions' ability to brand their products. My view is that
>>> this
>>> is not the case. Branding is not the practice of slapping logos
>>> onto
>>> products. Instead, it is the attempt to instill and promote
>>> positive
>>> associations with the brand. The best way to do that, in my
>>> opinion,
>>> is to make the user experience as good as it can possibly be. If
>>> you
>>> diminish the user experience through the addition of a logo, then
>>> you
>>> actually harm the brand: you make the product worse, and in the
>>> process you make it less likely that people will think good things
>>> about your brand.
>>
>> I suppose we are at a complete impasse then; to me it is completely
>> unacceptable to completely debrand the operating system. You do
>> realize
>> there are usability implications with that - namely, people don't
>> even
>> know what they are running in order to obtain help with it or even
>> identify the type of system they are using.
>>
>> You have basically posed here that there is no way you will accept a
>> logo on the login screen. How is a compromise possible then?
>
>
> http://macservicesact.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/New-Mac-OS-X-Lion=
> -Login-Screen.jpg
>
> I've never seen this screen before, and I am dismayingly stricken
> by=20
> the similarly except for the fact that Apple has given their logo
> an=20
> approximately 50 x 50 px presence centered above the user login
> dialog.
>
> ~m
>
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> M=E1ir=EDn Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> I suppose we are at a complete impasse then; to me it is completely
>> unacceptable to completely debrand the operating system. You do
>> realize
>> there are usability implications with that - namely, people don't
>> even
>> know what they are running in order to obtain help with it or even
>> identify the type of system they are using.
>>
>> You have basically posed here that there is no way you will accept a
>> logo on the login screen. How is a compromise possible then?
>
> I was trying to explain my position and my concerns. I'm happy to
> explore the options. However, I would be much more comfortable doing
> that in an upstream setting.
>
> Allan
>
>
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> M=E1ir=EDn Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>
>> http://macservicesact.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/New-Mac-OS-X-Lion=
> -Login-Screen.jpg
>>
>> I've never seen this screen before, and I am dismayingly stricken by
>> the similarly except for the fact that Apple has given their logo an
>> approximately 50 x 50 px presence centered above the user login
>> dialog.
>
> Doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. ;)
>
> One thing that is noticeable about this design is that they have made
> the logo less visually prominent by giving it an embossed appearance.
> Given the concern to reduce the attention grabbing nature of the
> logo,
> this certainly has merit.
>
> Allan
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> Subject: Re: Fedora Logo on the login screen
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> On 03/19/2013 07:28 AM, Allan Day wrote:
>> MáirÃn Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon 18 Mar 2013 05:54:42 PM EDT, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
>>>> I am not a programmer, but, that said, why can't you put a decent
>>>> sized fedora logo above the users section. If the number of users
>>>> exceeds a certain number, then create a window with a slider bar
>>>> on
>>>> the right. This just does not seem like rocket science. :-)
>>> Isn't GNOME shell primarily designed as a single-user experience?
>> I think it's a good idea to special case the single user case. We
>> still want to provide a good multi-user experience though.
>>
>>> How
>>> frequently are we expecting there to be a case where there are
>>> enough
>>> users in the list for a logo placed as suggested by Ray in comment
>>> 13
>>> (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694912#c13)
>> Even if it is a corner case, it's something we should handle, I
>> think.
>>
>>> I see a 'solution' looking for a problem here. The problem isn't
>>> the
>>> Fedora logo looks bad when given exactly 9 pixels of vertical space
>>> (what logo would?) The problem is... I'm really not sure what. Can
>>> you
>>> help me understand? I see this multi-monitor use related bug has
>>> been
>>> cited:
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685852
>>>
>>> It says "The distribution logo is displayed in the middle above the
>>> list. This visually
>>> clashes with the layout of the rest of the login screen. It would
>>> be
>>> better to
>>> place the logo in the top-left hand corner of the screen, in the
>>> top
>>> bar. "
>>>
>>> There is no screenshot, so I am unsure of how it 'visually clashes'
>>> with the rest of the login screen, and I'm not sure what it has to
>>> do
>>> with multi-monitor, if anything. A GNOME wiki link is provided,
>>> which I
>>> clicked on (https://live.gnome.org/Boston2012/Multimonitor) and
>>> found
>>> the exact same text:
>>>
>>> "The distribution logo is displayed in the middle above the list.
>>> This
>>> visually clashes with the layout of the rest of the login screen.
>>> It
>>> would be better to place the logo in the top-left hand corner of
>>> the
>>> screen, in the top bar. #685852"
>>>
>>> Please help me understand what exactly the problem is here?
>> A bit of background:
>>
>> The change during the 3.8 cycle was based on a couple of factors.
>> First, the logo interfered with the layout of the login screen: it's
>> a
>> prominent visual presence that creates another anchor point which
>> conflicts with the other elements on the screen (ie. it is
>> horizontally centered, which clashes with the anchor points in the
>> user list).
>
> I agree with this. The alignment of the usernames to the left while
> the
> full logo (with both logo and logotype) was centre aligned did not
> really work.
>
> However were any other alignment / layout options considered here? if
> we
> reduced the design to just the logo, you lose some of the
> interference
> between the anchor points of the logo and the userlist layout:
>
> http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/justthelogo.png
>
> Or could the usernames be presented in a out horizontal layout?
> (although, this one makes the login screen very close to the OSX
> designs)
>
> http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/horizontal.png
>
>> Second, the logo was felt to be a distracting presence.
>> We've made an effort to make sure that the most important elements
>> are
>> the most visually prominent, and we want the primary interaction
>> points to be the ones that jump out at you. The logo was a strong
>> visual presence placed above the user list: this drew the eye to it,
>> making it the first thing you saw, and distracted you from the parts
>> of the screen that are actually useful to the user (ie. the user
>> list).
>
> Were any tests done to prove the hypothesis that the placement of the
> old fedora logo was distracting users from the interactive parts of
> the
> screen? If that was the issue that was trying to be solved, was any
> thought given to putting the logo towards the bottom of the screen?
>
> http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/logobottom.png
>
>>
>> My preference is to focus the user interface on providing the best
>> user experience possible. That means prioritising the things that
>> people need to use, reducing distraction and making the UI look
>> great.
>> The addition of a logo diminishes the user experience along each of
>> these dimensions.
>>
>> The proposal to replace the logo with a simple string in the
>> top-left
>> hand corner is intended to mitigate the negative impact of including
>> a
>> logo while retaining a visual reference to the distributor. However,
>> the usability issue that Ryan brought up is a valid concern about
>> this
>> proposal.
>>
>> It has been suggested that not including the logo somehow weakens
>> distributions' ability to brand their products. My view is that this
>> is not the case. Branding is not the practice of slapping logos onto
>> products. Instead, it is the attempt to instill and promote positive
>> associations with the brand. The best way to do that, in my opinion,
>> is to make the user experience as good as it can possibly be.
>
> True, you want to promote positive associations with a brand. And if
> the
> logo is too prominent, or there are too many logos, you end up
> diluting
> the brand. If all text is bold, nothing stands out.
>
> http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/logotoomany.png
>
> However if the mark of the brand is *nowhere* you are merely
> promoting
> positive associations with a generic grey background.
>
> http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/nologo.png
>
> I am not suggesting that we slap logo(s) over everything, simply
> include
> a clear definition to the user of brand at the point they start using
> the system.
>
>
>
> regards,
> ryanlerch
>
>
>
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> On 03/19/2013 08:46 AM, Allan Day wrote:
>> I was trying to explain my position and my concerns. I'm happy to
>> explore the options. However, I would be much more comfortable doing
>> that in an upstream setting.
>
> Why don't we explore the options right here in the affected
> community? I
> am not a member of the GNOME community anymore. We are both members
> of
> the Fedora community.
>
> ~m
>
>
>
>> Why don't we explore the options right here in the affected
>> community?
>
> Fedora is not the only consumer of GNOME.
>
>> am not a member of the GNOME community anymore.
>
> What does that mean? You are even listed at
> http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/
>
> Cheers,
> Debarshi
>
>
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> On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:02 -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>
>> However if the mark of the brand is *nowhere* you are merely
>> promoting
>> positive associations with a generic grey background.
>>
>> http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/nologo.png
>>
>> I am not suggesting that we slap logo(s) over everything, simply
>> include
>> a clear definition to the user of brand at the point they start
>> using
>> the system.
>
> Genuine question: why do you feel the login screen is a good place to
> promote any kind of positive brand association? All I usually want to
> do
> from that screen is to get out of it as quickly and seamlessly as
> possible. Under this perspective, having it plainly unbranded and
> focused exclusively on its task — get me to my session and my work
> —
> makes sense to me.
>
> Cosimo
>
>
>
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> On 03/19/2013 10:25 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
>>> Why don't we explore the options right here in the affected
>>> community?
>>
>> Fedora is not the only consumer of GNOME.
>
> It's a pretty important one, don't you think?
>>
>>> am not a member of the GNOME community anymore.
>>
>> What does that mean? You are even listed at
>> http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/
>
> I delisted my blog from planet gnome well over a year ago and
> withdrew
> my foundation membership - I should *not* be on that list.
>
> Either way, my point is let's not spend a week talking about how we
> need
> to talk about this and instead talk about it on neutral ground
> everyone
> is comfortable with.
>
> ~m
>
>
>
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> On 03/19/2013 10:25 AM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
>> On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:02 -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>>
>>> However if the mark of the brand is *nowhere* you are merely
>>> promoting
>>> positive associations with a generic grey background.
>>>
>>> http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/login/nologo.png
>>>
>>> I am not suggesting that we slap logo(s) over everything, simply
>>> include
>>> a clear definition to the user of brand at the point they start
>>> using
>>> the system.
>> Genuine question: why do you feel the login screen is a good place
>> to
>> promote any kind of positive brand association?
>
> This is the entry point to the Fedora user experience. Having the
> logo
> on the sign in screen is conceptually similar to having a sign on the
> door.
>
>> All I usually want to do
>> from that screen is to get out of it as quickly and seamlessly as
>> possible. Under this perspective, having it plainly unbranded and
>> focused exclusively on its task — get me to my session and my work
>> —
>> makes sense to me.
>>
>> Cosimo
>
> From a usability perspective, I fail to see how a subtle logo here
> makes it harder to use. Having some user testing the hypothesis that
> a
> logo reduces productivity of the login screen would be a good place
> to
> start before removing whole elements.
>
> Finally, a question. If we don't have the sign the doorway to Fedora,
> then where should the name of the brand be presented? I think it
> would
> be a step backwards to have the OS brand mark polluting the main
> interface of the desktop that a user stares at for 8 hours a day.
>
> regards,
> ryanlerch
>>
>
>
>
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> On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 10:59 -0400, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>
>> > Genuine question: why do you feel the login screen is a good place
>> to
>> > promote any kind of positive brand association?
>>
>> This is the entry point to the Fedora user experience. Having the
>> logo
>> on the sign in screen is conceptually similar to having a sign on
>> the door.
>
> If you want to follow this analogy, it would be more as if the door
> of
> my house had a permanent logo/sign of the realtor agency I bought it
> from...
>
>> > All I usually want to do
>> > from that screen is to get out of it as quickly and seamlessly as
>> > possible. Under this perspective, having it plainly unbranded and
>> > focused exclusively on its task — get me to my session and my
>> work —
>> > makes sense to me.
>> >
>> > Cosimo
>>
>> From a usability perspective, I fail to see how a subtle logo here
>> makes it harder to use. Having some user testing the hypothesis that
>> a
>> logo reduces productivity of the login screen would be a good place
>> to
>> start before removing whole elements.
>
> I didn't say it makes it *harder* to use. To my taste, it just feels
> redundant/distracting and maybe a bit cheesy though.
>
>> Finally, a question. If we don't have the sign the doorway to
>> Fedora,
>> then where should the name of the brand be presented? I think it
>> would
>> be a step backwards to have the OS brand mark polluting the main
>> interface of the desktop that a user stares at for 8 hours a day.
>
> Good question; having it always visible in the desktop is a huge step
> backwards of course (and we agree it's a non starter). My personal
> opinion is it's debatable you should present it at all, since the
> user
> knows what it downloaded and installed himself.
>
> Who is supposed to look at that doorway and from where? In other
> words,
> I don't think I can have an answer to that question unless it's very
> clear who's the intended target of that branding.
>
> Cheers,
> Cosimo
>
>
>
>
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> On Tue 19 Mar 2013 12:22:51 PM EDT, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
>> Good question; having it always visible in the desktop is a huge
>> step
>> backwards of course (and we agree it's a non starter). My personal
>> opinion is it's debatable you should present it at all, since the
>> user
>> knows what it downloaded and installed himself.
>
> Let's be fair - in a multi-situation, it is necessarily that only one
> of the users involved installed the system. In a computer lab
> situation
> or in an employee preload situation (maybe the latter wouldn't be
> Fedora, but RHEL) the users did not install it themselves.
>
> ~m
>
>
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> On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:26 -0400, MáirÃn Duffy wrote:
>> On Tue 19 Mar 2013 12:22:51 PM EDT, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
>> > Good question; having it always visible in the desktop is a huge
>> step
>> > backwards of course (and we agree it's a non starter). My personal
>> > opinion is it's debatable you should present it at all, since the
>> user
>> > knows what it downloaded and installed himself.
>>
>> Let's be fair - in a multi-situation, it is necessarily that only
>> one
>> of the users involved installed the system. In a computer lab
>> situation
>> or in an employee preload situation (maybe the latter wouldn't be
>> Fedora, but RHEL) the users did not install it themselves.
>
> That's true. But in a preloaded/locked-down situation where the user
> doesn't have full, or any, control on the software installed on the
> machine the requirements might be different:
> - the logo would likely not be the stock distributor's one, but one
> identifying the organization providing that leased/temporary service
> to
> the user. I can think of a number of reasons related to
> billing/support/accountability as of why this makes a lot more sense
> than in the "personal use" case.
> - it's still unclear to me the benefit to the user and/or the
> distributor in showing a logo in that scenario. For example, if the
> machine has a corporate lockdown, that fact alone might discourage
> users
> trying to install the same OS on another personal machine. This is in
> my
> opinion related to the question I was asking in the second part of my
> above previous message.
>
> Cheers,
> Cosimo
>
>
>
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> On 03/19/2013 01:09 PM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote:
>> - the logo would likely not be the stock distributor's one, but one
>> identifying the organization providing that leased/temporary service
>> to
>> the user. I can think of a number of reasons related to
>> billing/support/accountability as of why this makes a lot more sense
>> than in the "personal use" case.
>
> At least with RHEL, IANAL but I'm not quite sure legally it's okay to
> strip all RH logos from the distribution without additional burdens
> such
> as compliance with the GPL in making the source available and other
> requirements under Red Hat Trademark guidelines and potential impact
> to
> your support contract, see
> http://www.redhat.com/about/mediarelations/trademark.html
>
>> - it's still unclear to me the benefit to the user and/or the
>> distributor in showing a logo in that scenario. For example, if the
>> machine has a corporate lockdown, that fact alone might discourage
>> users
>> trying to install the same OS on another personal machine. This is
>> in my
>> opinion related to the question I was asking in the second part of
>> my
>> above previous message.
>
> I'm not really sure it's a major concern that users would feel
> discouraged to install Fedora or RHEL on their home machine because
> they
> experienced it on a corporate install as locked down - RHEL is not
> meant
> for use on home machines, and it's questionable whether or not an
> organization (I am assuming campus / nonprofit) that preloaded
> *Fedora*
> as a desktop would lock it down as much as in a more corporate
> situation
> since these type of organizations typically have less resources and
> more
> flexible policies around computing. This seems a very weak argument
> to
> me, and certainly the 'solution' of hiding the identity of the OS is
> an
> odd way to solve this 'problem.'
>
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10 years, 6 months
Improving the Fedora boot experience
by Matthias Clasen
Hi,
I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub screen, followed by the filling-in-Fedora of Plymouth, followed by the gdm login screen. Grub in particular is problematic, with a starfield background that looks like a Fedora background from a few releases ago and a progress bar that indicates the progress in 'booting the bootloader'.
There are also some issues on the login screen, with Fedora logo being at small-print size right now.
I think a few simple changes we can make a big improvement to the visual experience for F19:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
Even if we are not able to suppress the boot menu entirely, or having a clean boot menu like this: https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-lock..., avoiding the graphical screen will be a win in terms of reduced visual noise.
- Switch to a simple spinner for the plymouth theme
This theme is available in plymouth today: https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-lock...
I know when we've proposed this in the past, there was concern about loosing the one place where the Fedora logo is visible in the boot. I'd like to propose a compromise that will keep the Fedora logo _and_ improve the transition to the login screen: How about we use the spinner as in that mockup, but add a reasonably-sized Fedora logo in the top left corner.
- Replace the small print logo on the login screen with a bigger one
The idea here is to replace the small-print Fedora text logo that we currently have in that corner by the same Fedora logo thats used in plymouth, so that it remains unchanged as we transition from plymouth to gdm.
What do you think ?
Matthias
10 years, 6 months
Change in gnome-terminal behavior for the upcoming GNOME 3.8
by Michel Alexandre Salim
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Dear all,
Starting from gnome-terminal 3.7.0, new tabs no longer start from the
current working directory of the previously-active tab, but starts at
the user's home directory, unless a scriptlet is called as part of the
user's prompt:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=919643
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/tree/NEWS
We should probably discuss if the recommendation should be part of
/etc/skel/.bashrc (and the ZSH equivalent), perhaps made conditional
on Bash/ZSH being started within a GNOME session.
Best regards,
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