December 2014 - desktop - Fedora mailing-lists

Fedora 21 Alpha validation test work
by Adam Williamson 23 Jan '15

23 Jan '15

Hi, folks. So, we're scheduled for Alpha TC1 tomorrow. We had a nice happy co-operative plan where QA and the WGs would collaborate on revising the release validation test process for Fedora.next... ...which, well, didn't really happen. As of this morning we were nowhere near having a viable validation process. So I went for plan B: I spent today more or less pulling the entire thing out of my ass. It's a bit rough around the edges, but I think we more or less have something workable now. I have skipped the draft stage for a lot of documents just in the interest of having something vaguely workable in time for TC1; of course, the pages can be revised as much as necessary as we work with them. It's a bit hard to remember everything I've done, but we now have a draft Alpha Release Criteria page which should cover all release-blocking media, which for now I'm assuming includes the Workstation live media, Server minimal and offline install media, Cloud and ARM disk images, and possibly some kind of generic network install image. That draft is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_F21_Alpha_criteria and is based on the stuff from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_server_release_criteria , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_workstation_release_crit… and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Roshi/QA/Cloud_Docs/Cloud_Alpha_Release… , plus some adjustments to the templates that handle the preamble. We have a new validation matrix, for Server product-specific tests: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Server_validation_results_template The Desktop matrix has been adjusted to cover - not quite elegantly, but at least cover - both the Workstation product and the KDE spin: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Desktop_validation_results_template The Base matrix has been extended to add a couple of new test cases that came out of the Product criteria drafting process, but actually aren't really product specific, and has had its columns adjusted to be product-y: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Base_validation_results_template The installation matrix has similarly had a couple of new criteria wedged in, but much more importantly, I ripped the netinst, DVD and live image 'sanity test' sections and replaced them with an ARM-style table where a single 'generic' test case is run against several images on several platforms - that's the "Default boot and install" section, so please cast an eye over it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_21_Install_Results_Template and I made a small change to the release validation test event SOP to list the server matrix as one to create: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event Here are links to all (I think) of the new test cases I had to write as I went along: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Boot_default_install https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_kickstart_user_creation https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_base_service_manipulation https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_base_selinux https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Server_firewall_default https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_kickstart_firewall https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Server_cockpit_default The following test cases already existed, but are newly included in the release validation process (they were written for test days): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_FreeIPA_realmd_join https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_realmd_join_kickstart https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_realmd_join_server There are still quite a few i's to dot and t's to cross. There are some release criteria and test cases that explicitly reference 'the DVD' image that will need to be adjusted. We need to apply the 'associated release criterion' template to all the new test cases, and probably clean up some categorizations. Various other process documentation pages may need to be updated, we'll have to check through all of them. But I think now we at least have the broad strokes of what's needed for .next validation testing. All feedback on the above changes is of course welcome! Please do cast your eye over and point out anything I missed, anything that looks silly, any possible improvements and so on. Remember, though, this is really *test process* design: we're not actually doing product design here, if you think there are issues with the Fedora.next changes themselves, that goes to the WGs or FESCo. As far as this work is concerned, we're just trying to test the new Products as they're designed (all of the above is based off of the Product PRDs and tech specs). I'll take time tomorrow to do some polishing, and of course look at any and all feedback on the stuff I did today. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG Recap 2014-Dec-17
by Paul W. Frields 07 Jan '15

07 Jan '15

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-17/workstation.2014… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-17/workstation.2014… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-17/workstation.2014… * * * ====================================== #fedora-meeting: Fedora Workstation WG ====================================== Meeting started by stickster at 16:00:18 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-17/workstation.2014… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call! (stickster, 16:00:27) * Surprise topic: F21 (stickster, 16:04:28) * F21 Workstation is out, it's awesome, and congrats to everyone. That is all. (stickster, 16:05:47) * Change proposals (stickster, 16:06:12) * Current Change checkpoint is proposed for 2015-Jan-20, so about 2.5 or 3 weeks after holiday (stickster, 16:08:27) * ACTION: mclasen file gnome-shell + nautilus related changes (stickster, 16:11:45) * ACTION: stickster Put remaining Change items on agenda for 2015-Jan-07 to check outlook for landing (stickster, 16:12:16) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule and https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointFifteen if anyone else wants to compare (kalev, 16:14:47) * Current GNOME 3.16 schedule looks like a tight but workable fit for current Fedora 22 proposed schedule (stickster, 16:15:24) * jwb points out that some upstream stuff will require Fedora-specific work outside the WG, e.g. app bundles (stickster, 16:27:01) * Current big-picture, more Fedora-WS-oriented improvements: (1) app bundles (high effort, multi-release); (2) upgrade notifications (lower effort, maybe F22 doable) (stickster, 16:45:25) * ACTION: mclasen dig up summary/details on current app bundles effort so we can understand state upstream (stickster, 16:46:00) * ACTION: mclasen look for mockups for UI portion of upgrade notification (possibly execution?) (stickster, 16:46:34) * For reference, a different implementation of upgrades: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Migration (stickster, 16:48:18) * Resolving firewall question (stickster, 16:49:32) * ACTION: stickster mclasen be around for FESCo meeting in ~1 hour if this topic comes up (stickster, 17:03:58) * ACTION: stickster start discussion on desktop@ list toward a wiki page that covers our assumptions, problem statement, and our ideal Workstation approach for firewall (stickster, 17:05:07) * All other business (stickster, 17:05:28) * ACTION: stickster Carry over bug triage topic for next meeting (stickster, 17:05:37) Meeting ended at 17:07:25 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mclasen file gnome-shell + nautilus related changes * stickster Put remaining Change items on agenda for 2015-Jan-07 to check outlook for landing * mclasen dig up summary/details on current app bundles effort so we can understand state upstream * mclasen look for mockups for UI portion of upgrade notification (possibly execution?) * stickster mclasen be around for FESCo meeting in ~1 hour if this topic comes up * stickster start discussion on desktop@ list toward a wiki page that covers our assumptions, problem statement, and our ideal Workstation approach for firewall * stickster Carry over bug triage topic for next meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mclasen * mclasen file gnome-shell + nautilus related changes * mclasen dig up summary/details on current app bundles effort so we can understand state upstream * mclasen look for mockups for UI portion of upgrade notification (possibly execution?) * stickster mclasen be around for FESCo meeting in ~1 hour if this topic comes up * stickster * stickster Put remaining Change items on agenda for 2015-Jan-07 to check outlook for landing * stickster mclasen be around for FESCo meeting in ~1 hour if this topic comes up * stickster start discussion on desktop@ list toward a wiki page that covers our assumptions, problem statement, and our ideal Workstation approach for firewall * stickster Carry over bug triage topic for next meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (103) * jwb (53) * mclasen (48) * cschalle_ (10) * ryanlerch (9) * kalev (9) * randomuser (7) * rdieter (5) * zodbot (5) * mcatanzaro (2) * jreznik (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Application is ready notification
by Ryan Lerch 06 Jan '15

06 Jan '15

Just wondering if anyone here knows of the design rationale for the (seemingly intermittent to me) notification i get informing me that an application window is ready for my attention. I seem to get these most when opening a file in the default application from firefox, or opening an application from the terminal, or sometimes when clicking on a notification from an application. In all cases when I see this notification, I did want to see the application window to appear and get focus. There is a shell extenstion available to turn off this application is ready behaviour, which I do use, but IMO, this would be a useful default behaviour to have turned on in Workstation. cheers, ryanlerch

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Vacation 2014-Dec-20 - 2015-Jan-04
by Paul W. Frields 19 Dec '14

19 Dec '14

Hi gang, I'll be on vacation and mostly AFK for the holidays. I will probably see my GMail inbox during that time but only rarely. I'll return the first Monday in January and can't wait for an exciting 2015 for the Fedora Workstation! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Call for agenda for Workstation WG meeting 2014-Dec-17
by Paul W. Frields 18 Dec '14

18 Dec '14

Next meeting is Wednesday, 2014-Dec-17 at 1600 UTC/11:00am US-EST. Please feel free to suggest additional issues for our agenda. * INFO: Change proposals from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist * Resolving https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1372 (firewall) QUESTION: What is the ultimate, desired state of Fedora Workstation's firewall? What needs to happen to achieve it? * Bug triage for Workstation QUESTION: Is there a way to sort out Workstation relevant bugs in a useful way for the team, without doing a lot of individual bug triage (non-scalably)? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Feature Idea: provide a graphical way to upgrade to F22 workstation
by Ryan Lerch 17 Dec '14

17 Dec '14

Hi all, One thing i didnt see on the roadmap, but would be definitely useful for our users would be a way to notify users that a new version of Fedora Workstaion is available, and provide an easy way for them to kick of a fedup upgrade without having to use the command line. One other thing that might be useful here is a notification for users telling them when the version they are using is going EOL, and that no more updates will be provided for their version, and then providing them the same GUI to upgrade. cheers, ryanlerch

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Change proposals for F22
by Paul W. Frields 16 Dec '14

16 Dec '14

Matthias and I sat down f2f while I was in Westford, and went over the F22 task list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist#Fedora_Workstation_22 We marked the items we feel need Change proposals with a {{check}} mark in the wiki. Matthias says he's going to file those by the deadline, and I offered to help. I wanted to let folks know how to identify the Change related tasks, and if you think we need a Change filed for something not checked off, please speak up. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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FESCo ticket on firewall
by Paul W. Frields 15 Dec '14

15 Dec '14

FYI: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1372 When responding to this ticket, please keep the discussion impersonal and objective as possible. We should plan to have a couple people at the FESCo meeting next week if this is on the agenda. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Sevices don't start with boot (FD21 Desktop)
by Peter Laursen 15 Dec '14

15 Dec '14

I think this happened with some recent updates. I experience that "sshd" and "mysqld" (MariaDB 10.0.14) services don't start automatically after reboot when started with "service" or "systemctl" commands. I will need to manually execute "systemctl enable name.service" (what will create the necessary symlink, and services will start with next reboot). Is this intended? Also there is an inconsistence between the default Gnome edition and the Xfce 'spin' here. On Xfce both mentioned services were affected. On Gnome mysqld was not affected but sshd was (as far as I remember - it could be opposite, but I think I remember right!). -- Hilsen / Regards Peter Laursen

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F21 32bit live-dvd goes into hibernation
by Donald Buchan 15 Dec '14

15 Dec '14

I've installed F21 64bit on my new, fresh out of the box Dell desktop. Things are going great! (And, nuking Windows was satisfying.) Now I'm trying to install F21 32-bit on my Acer Aspire One Netbook D150-1055 single core 1.6GHz Atom Processor N270 2gig memory 160gig HD laptop, using an LG portable super multi drive usb-dvd. The images I've used are F21 workstation 32bit downloaded on 09 december 2014 and burned using F19 and dvd drive above, using CD/DVD creater, then I re-downloaded the iso on 14 december 2014 and burned it on an integrated dvd writer on my new dell machine running F21 workstation 64bit using brasero. Both times my Aspire One kept on going in hibernation during the initial bootup of the live-DVD of F21 workstation 32bit. I get about three quarters of the way through the white tear drop startup screen and the hibernation begins. Hitting any key wakes up the machine and things will continue, and the hibernation keeps on occuring after about a minute, and I keep on waking up the machine. This cycle keeps on occuring once I get to the initial screen offering to run the live-dvd or install to the HD. This is all while trying to boot up the live dvd and head directly into the installation process. No, I have not been playing with the power settings -- in fact, this begins occuring during the bootup. Yes, the clamshell was fully open. No, the power cord was not faulty. No, I was not running on battery with low power -- in fact, I usually operate on electricity with the battery pack out, and this never causes any problems. The unit is perfectly stable with Fedora 19 and has always been since I first installed linux on it with Fedora 11 in 2009, and has never had problems with Fedora 11, 12, 14, 15, 17, and 19. Is anyone else having a similar problems with the live-dvd for F21 suddenly always going into hibernation on a similar machine or other laptop? Thank you

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I cannot login with Wayland at all.
by Peter Laursen 13 Dec '14

13 Dec '14

If I am trying to do so, I am getting returned to the login screen after around 1 second. If it matters my system has (unused9 Intel 4000 graphics on yhr MB and a (used) Geforce card (for higher resolution). Does somebody know if this is this a known problem? There must be some logs with debugging information. But where will I find them? I may consider reporting to FZ, but developers will prbbably require logs. And if it is a known issue already reported, there is no idea in doing so. -- Hilsen / Regards Peter Laursen

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VSYNC problems on Intel graphics in Fedora Workstation...
by Alex G.S. 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

Dear List, First of all I want to start this by saying that this is the best release of Fedora I've ever worked with. GNOME is beautiful on Workstation and this release helped pushed me over the fence to making GNOME my default desktop. I use Fedora Workstation at work where I'm in DevOps and at home. Congratulations on this release and thank you! Work machine: Thinkpad T440p Graphics: Intel HD 4600 "Haswell" Kernel: 3.17.4-302.fc21.x86_64 Packages: mutter.x86_64 3.14.2-1.fc21 xorg-x11-drv-intel.x86_64 2.99.916-3.20141117.fc21 mesa-dri-drivers.x86_64 10.3.3-1.20141110.fc21 I'm having some strange VSYNC issues with GNOME Shell at the moment under the Xorg session. Under Wayland, which is amazing on Intel graphics, none of these problems happen but that session unfortunately isn't totally stable yet. My setup has two external monitors which are configured as secondary workspaces in GNOME. When I use either SNA or Glamor as my "AccelMethod" in my Xorg my external monitors don't have proper VSYNC at boot and I get massive tearing. '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' Option "AccelMethod" "sna" -- or -- Option "AccelMethod" "glamor" When I use UXA and the following workaround in my /etc/environment I finally get proper VSYNC but moving windows is choppy. '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' Option "AccelMethod" "uxa' '/etc/environment' CLUTTER_PAINT=disable-clipped-redraws:disable-culling CLUTTER_VBLANK=True In all cases above when I have a window go full-screen VSYNC breaks completely on my external monitors and only resolves itself after that window is closed. It seems that there is a problem with undirecting the fullscreen window. I'm not exactly sure as I've never encountered this before in GNOME. I've filed a bug report about this: "vsync broken Intel HD "Haswell" graphics running on Haswell after fullscreen on secondary monitors" https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741376 Is this a known issue and are there any workarounds? Thank you! Best, AlexGS

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[Fwd: Your message to gnome-sig awaits moderator approval]
by Michael Catanzaro 12 Dec '14

12 Dec '14

Hi, The gnome-sig mailing list should probably always accept posts regarding package updates from nonmembers. To where should I report this bug? (P.S. Anyone want to add me to the SIG?)

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F21: thank you!
by Jiri Eischmann 11 Dec '14

11 Dec '14

Hi, I'd like to thank everyone who helped make the first release of Workstation happen. Someone who was brave enough to check the Fedora devel list in the last couple of days must come to a conclusion that things have gone the wrong direction with Workstation, but the feedback I have been receiving from users is by far the most positive since I've been around Fedora and that has already been a couple of years. Keep up the good work! Jiri

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Thoughts about Fedora 21 Desktop
by Peter Laursen 10 Dec '14

10 Dec '14

I am primarily a Windows user (was happy with XP and Wn7 - but am not with Win8!). In addition to that I have been using SuSE/OpenSuSE since version 10.0. I need to test some software running in Wine as part of my job. I find some shortcomings in Fedora 21 Desktop that makes it not fully qualifying as a full Desktop version. There are not enough GUI options for system's management for a GUI oriented userr - like Windows 'Control Panel' and SuSE's "YaST" GUI. I realize that this is probably too late for the 21 GA realese - but here are my points: 1) I think *deifnitely* that the "Yum Extender" software management GUI should be included in the Desktop version as default. I was not aware of this interface untill someone in Virtualbox Forums pointed my attention to it. 2) The (human) user created during installation should be added to sudo'ers list automatically. I cannot think of any other Desktop oriented distro that does not. If you are not a *Fedora hawk* , hs no experience with Linux, this is actually somewhat non-trivial. .. 3) And please consider GUI options for user management, service/daemon management etc. as priorities for future developments in order to develop Fedora into a fully Desktop oriented distro (use YaST as inspiration, for instance). Please consider this a positive feedback. -- Hilsen / Regards Peter Laursen

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Gnome/classical disabled
by Peter Laursen 09 Dec '14

09 Dec '14

I upgraded to Fedora 21 GA/final. With the beta/RC I used the Gnome/classical desktop. I just wanted to login once to the new Gnome desktop to see if it had changed as compared to the beta/RC. After doing so I don't have the option to use the classical Gnome desktop anymore. Is this intentional? If so I hope that an xfce build will be available soon. I have no interest in anything else in the Desktop interface than what provides me quick acces to the programs I have installed (and grouped by categories). The new Gnome desktop does not and my installed programs are spread over 5½ pages/screens here. But maybe what was the intention was to disable the Wayland option (since it did not work) and the classical Gnome interface was also disabled in the process and by mistake? -- Hilsen / Regards Peter Laursen

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GNOME features in Fedora 22 Workstation
by Ryan Lerch 09 Dec '14

09 Dec '14

Is there a basic list of the user-facing changes that are currently being worked on / completed for the GNOME that we are going to ship in the Fedora 22 Workstation? This would be super useful to focus our efforts here for what we want to focus on for Fedora 22. My two cents for areas to work in the interface (just from my experience with fedora 21) would be: * Notifications and the notifications area, and * The overview. Adding some more powerful actions to the search would fit well with the developer focus of the workstation. Some things like being able to filter open windows with a text search, providing more search results from the search providiers (on my laptop, i only get 3.5 results on the screen before i have to scroll), and being able to specify a search provider explicitly when searching, if i am looking for a file, i really don't want to see software matches, items from the control center, etc. cheers, ryanlerch

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TokuDB plugin missing from MariaDB
by Peter Laursen 08 Dec '14

08 Dec '14

Fedora 21 Desktop. I have installed MariaDB (10.0.14) with yum from Fedoara repositories. It runs fine - but the TokuDB storage engine is not available .... cd /usr/lib64/mysql/plugin [root@localhost plugin]# ls adt_null.so ha_innodb.so mysql_clear_password.so auth_0x0100.so handlersocket.so qa_auth_client.so auth_pam.so ha_sequence.so qa_auth_interface.so auth_socket.so ha_sphinx.so qa_auth_server.so auth_test_plugin.so ha_spider.so query_cache_info.so daemon_example.ini ha_test_sql_discovery.so query_response_time.so dialog_examples.so libdaemon_example.so semisync_master.so dialog.so locales.so semisync_slave.so ha_connect.so metadata_lock_info.so server_audit.so ha_example.so mypluglib.so sql_errlog.so [root@localhost plugin]# .. no ha_tokudb.so file there Also after adding the line "INSTALL SONAME 'ha_tokudb'" to /etc/my.cnf.d/server.cnf, the server will not start. I think you simply overlooked the--"with_tokudb" configure option when building? TokuDB is really an exitng and important storage engine in recent MariaDB servers and should be available. If I am right please provide an upgrade to 10.0.15 soon with the TokuDB storage engine available. This mailbox may not be the right one to report this. But this is the option I have. In that case @somebody .. please forward to proper list (and sorry for inconvenience caused). -- Hilsen / Regards Peter Laursen

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Fedora 21 talking points - Workstation product?
by Truong Anh Tuan 08 Dec '14

08 Dec '14

Hi folks, You know, Fedora 21 is coming shortly. I have no idea who is responsible for writing Talking points for Fedora 21 Workstation [1] so I would like to open this thread to remind you. This wiki could help a lot to Ambassadors to talk about the new Fedora. Kind regards, Tuan [1] https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/176

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ctrl-c / ctrl-v in terminals: Elementary 'dynamic' approach?
by Adam Williamson 06 Dec '14

06 Dec '14

I just happened to spot this post from Elementary on G+, which seemed like an interesting take on the question of ctrl-c / ctrl-v behaviour in terminals: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+DanielFor%C3%A9/posts/PhtmZQs98vW it doesn't do anything for ctrl-v, but it seems like an interesting approach. Any thoughts on steal^V^V^V^V^Vadopting it for GNOME? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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gnome package ownership
by Matthias Clasen 06 Dec '14

06 Dec '14

Hi, historically, we've always struggled to maintain a full 'acl matrix' so every desktop team member can touch every gnome package. But we can do better ! Kalev has set up a 'gnome-sig' group in pkgdb, which some people are already members of. You can make your packages available to the group like this: pkgdb-cli update --approve $package commit group::gnome-sig all pkgdb-cli can also list your packages: pkgdb-cli list --user $user --nameonly I've just 'donated' all my packages to the group. If you own gnome-related packages please consider doing the same and joining the group. Matthias

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Final release announcement coordination
by Jaroslav Reznik 05 Dec '14

05 Dec '14

Hi all! As we're getting to pretty solid RC, it's again time for release announcement. Readiness meeting is on Thursday, would be nice to have a draft ready for review and final version next Monday, so text formatted and magazine versions can be prepared in advance. Workstation seems to be pretty covered, do we have any additions to Server and Cloud? The other thing is to get rid of all Beta strings. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Final_release_announcement Thanks Joe for starting it and Paul for Workstation bit so far! We had the best Alpha/Beta announcements so far, let's continue with this high bar :). Jaroslav

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Bugs and RFE's for Fedora Workstation
by Ryan Lerch 05 Dec '14

05 Dec '14

With the creation of the 3 Fedora flavours, the process of tracking bugs and RFE's for Fedora workstation is a lot more muddled than it already is. Should this be something that we should focus on as a meta-task for the F22 release? Bugzilla currently tracks issues on a per-package (component in the Bugzilla terminology ) basis, so some packages are used in all 3 flavours, but others are more specific to Workstation (e.g. gnome-shell). And some of these have a lot of bugs in the NEW status (gnome-shell has over 830). I'm not sure what the solution is here, but from a user point of view, the experience for filing a bug, RFE or providing feedback for the workstation is very confusing. IMHO, we shouldn't expect users to know what component their bug is against, or if they should file a bug upstream or not. So i'm reaching out for thoughts / ideas on how to make this better. cheers, ryanlerch

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WG meeting schedule in 2015
by Paul W. Frields 05 Dec '14

05 Dec '14

As agreed in the last meeting, we're going to have the WG meeting per usual on Wed 2014-Dec-17. The next meeting which would normally be Wed 2014-Dec-31 has been canceled. Rather than go an additional two weeks without meeting, can I get +1's to resume our regular schedule on Wed 2014-Jan-07? That would begin the regular biweekly cadence, so the next following meeting would be Wed 2014-Jan-21, and so on. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Atomic workstation
by Matthias Clasen 05 Dec '14

05 Dec '14

Hi Colin, I wondered what your thoughts are about the possibility of serving the workstation image as a tree in Fedora atomic. It would be interesting for the atomic update and rollback capabilities that ostree offers. Maybe we could also use it for doing similar testing to the upstream gnome-continuous, using taskotron. What are the pros/cons ? What do we have to do to get there ? Thanks, Matthias

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