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Plan to organize the Wayland-by-default effort
by Kevin E Martin 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

We are working toward enabling the GNOME desktop on Wayland as the default for the Fedora Workstation project. The question is: What features do we have to complete in order to make this switch? Everyone seems to have their own ideas of what is required, and a systematic approach is needed to organize the effort. Over the years, many features have been developed for the traditional X11-based GNOME desktop, and we are bringing these features over to the Wayland-based version. Quite a few of these features have already been implemented for the Wayland-based desktop and we already have highly functional desktop experience that everyone can use, but it is not yet complete. In order for us to enable it by default we need to both implement the missing features and fix the bugs in features that are already complete. For the bugs, we simply need to fix them. However, the situation with features is more complex. We each have our own list of features that we believe need to be implemented, but we lack a complete list of all the missing features and a clear way to determine when we have implemented enough of them to enable the Wayland-based GNOME desktop by default. Toward that goal, we are consolidating all of the various feature lists in the following Fedora wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features We are putting this on the Fedora wiki (instead of a GNOME, Wayland, kernel, Freedesktop or other wiki) since this is a Fedora decision on when we feel the Wayland-based GNOME desktop is ready to be the default for our Fedora Workstation project. The initial step is to list all features for the Wayland-based GNOME desktop. Olivier Fourdan, who has been heavily involved in the upstream Wayland development and also involved in GNOME development activities, has agreed to maintain this page. If you have ideas for what features should be included, please add them to the wiki page and discuss them on this list. What we need for each missing or incomplete feature is a descriptive name and what stage of development it is in. Links to other pages where more detailed description of the feature status and implementation details are also welcomed. For the development stages, there are kernel, supporting libraries, Wayland protocol, XWayland, mutter, gtk+ and application levels. For example, tablet support is currently implemented in the kernel and supporting libraries. The protocol has been proposed and is under discussion. Once the protocol has been accepted, there will be additional development needed at higher levels. This feature will remain on the list until it is complete at all levels. The next step is determining which of these features must be implemented before we can enable Wayland by default in Fedora Workstation. The plan is to form a small group of people deeply involved in the Wayland, GNOME and/or Fedora development to prioritize the list of features and then draw a line in this prioritized list above which all features must be complete before we will enable the GNOME desktop on Wayland by default in our Fedora Workstation project. We can then evaluate this list during the Fedora 24 development cycle to determine if we are ready to enable Wayland by default in the alpha, beta and final releases.

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Dropping i686 media for F24
by Paul W. Frields 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2015-August/001661… Stephen Gallagher has proposed a Change for Server to drop i686 media for F24. Given our previous list discussion, this is something for which we should probably follow suit. Thoughts? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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eclipse in gnome-software
by Matthias Clasen 27 Jan '16

27 Jan '16

I had occasion to look up how eclipse is presented in gnome-software today. Arguably one of the flagship applications for a developer workstation, sadly, the presentation can be improved. Things I noticed: - It shows up as '3rd party' in the list. We really need to fix this so that the only stuff that gets a 3rd party label is actually 3rd party. In its current form, it is too unreliable to be used. - The details page lists a number of interesting plugins in the description, and there is a list of add-ons that gnome-software offers to install. Sadly, the overlap between these two lists is very small. Why is that ? Just one example, CDT: Installing eclipse-cdt on the the commandline works just fine, but it does not show up in the list of available add-ons. Why is that, and can we fix it ?

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Workstation WG call for agenda 2015-Jan-20
by Paul W. Frields 25 Jan '16

25 Jan '16

The Workstation WG meeting is scheduled for this Wednesday, 2015-Jan-20 at 1500 UTC (10:00 EST, 16:00 CEST). This agenda is open for additions/corrections; please send by tomorrow at 1200 UTC. (Holding open longer because I was late sending this out.) * i686 Workstation images -- Does the WG want to keep producing these? (See list for full discussion.) * Are there any remaining Changes to file for F24? * F24 Test Days -- Do we want any dedicated for F24? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2015-Jan-20
by Paul W. Frields 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-20/workstation.2016… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-20/workstation.2016… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-20/workstation.2016… * * * =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by stickster at 15:01:32 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-20/workstation.2016… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 15:01:38) * i686 Workstation images (stickster, 15:07:50) * i686 Workstation images (stickster, 15:08:46) * Quorum in attendance was not really happy with idea to drop i686 images outright; there may be technical issues as well; lack of clear support means we will stick with status quo for now. (stickster, 15:55:05) * ACTION: stickster let sgallagh know about uncertain status of F24 Change for Server i686 droppage (stickster, 15:57:08) * Changes for F24 (stickster, 15:58:12) * ACTION: kalev create F24 Change page for GNOME 3.20 (stickster, 16:01:05) * ACTION: stickster revive Test Day discussion on list (stickster, 16:01:34) Meeting ended at 16:01:48 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stickster let sgallagh know about uncertain status of F24 Change for Server i686 droppage * kalev create F24 Change page for GNOME 3.20 * stickster revive Test Day discussion on list Action Items, by person ----------------------- * kalev * kalev create F24 Change page for GNOME 3.20 * sgallagh * stickster let sgallagh know about uncertain status of F24 Change for Server i686 droppage * stickster * stickster let sgallagh know about uncertain status of F24 Change for Server i686 droppage * stickster revive Test Day discussion on list * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (63) * mclasen___ (28) * kalev (23) * mcatanzaro (15) * dgilmore (11) * jwb (10) * zodbot (7) * otaylor (6) * kparal (2) * bowlofeggs (2) * sgallagh (1) * Southern_Gentlem (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64
by Cole Robinson 19 Jan '16

19 Jan '16

On 01/19/2016 10:42 AM, Outback Dingo wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Cole Robinson <crobinso(a)redhat.com > <mailto:crobinso@redhat.com>> wrote: > > On 01/18/2016 03:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > > So my environment > > > > Fedora 23 KDE spin > > XEN-4.5.2 and kernel 4.2.8 booted via EFI where everything works fine using > > virt-manager to manage vms under XEN, all is good. > > > > a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi configuration, > > booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue arises when trying to > > launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws a virt-manager viewer > > connection to hypervisor host got refused or disconnected. > > > > however, if i go back to using kernel 4.2.8 it all works fine. So there in > > lies the question, whats changed that is now preventing virt-manager from > > aunching vms properly. > > > > Sorry for the cross post, just trying to find the answer. thanks in advance > > > > > > I suggest filing a bug against xen. See if there's any different output in > dmesg, attach /var/log/libvirt/libxl/$your-vm-name.log, attach virt-manager > --debug output when reproducing > > > Id be more inclined to think this is a kernel build issue and not a XEN issue, > however... filing a bug with debug data attached could be helpful. Xen has many of its own specific bits in the kernel. Filing against the xen component is the best way to get xen guys to take a look, they will move it to the kernel if necessary. - Cole

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Re: Fedora 23 KDE spin / XEN / virt-manager and vmlinuz-4.3.3-301.fc23.x86_64
by Cole Robinson 19 Jan '16

19 Jan '16

On 01/18/2016 03:05 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > So my environment > > Fedora 23 KDE spin > XEN-4.5.2 and kernel 4.2.8 booted via EFI where everything works fine using > virt-manager to manage vms under XEN, all is good. > > a recent update installed kernel-4.3.3 so i reset the xen efi configuration, > booted got into the desktop no problems. The issue arises when trying to > launch vms from virt-manager, it always throws a virt-manager viewer > connection to hypervisor host got refused or disconnected. > > however, if i go back to using kernel 4.2.8 it all works fine. So there in > lies the question, whats changed that is now preventing virt-manager from > aunching vms properly. > > Sorry for the cross post, just trying to find the answer. thanks in advance > > I suggest filing a bug against xen. See if there's any different output in dmesg, attach /var/log/libvirt/libxl/$your-vm-name.log, attach virt-manager --debug output when reproducing - Cole

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help with bluetooth adaptor wanted
by kendell clark 18 Jan '16

18 Jan '16

hi all I'm sorry if This is the wrong place to post this, but I wasn't sure which of the fedora lists was appropriate. I just bought myself a bluetooth usb adaptor, since i got some really nice bluetooth headphones for christmas. I plugged it into my fedora box and all seemed to go well. The bluetooth icon showed up, I connected to the headset and ... no sound. I've done the following troubleshooting steps. I checked dmesg, and the error I got was, hci0: autoload firmware brcm/bcm20702a1.hcd failed with error -2. So this bluetooth adaptor, which said nothing about this on the box, has a broadcom chip in it. If the firmware couldn't be loaded, how could the device function? Does the linux btbcm module not require it? I've also checked pulseaudio's config to see if maybe the bluetooth modules weren't loaded, but in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf I see ifexists module-bluetooth-discover.so load-module module-bluetooth-discover.so. Same for bluetooth-policy, and bluetooth-device. I've read up on this, and saw that I also need to load module-bluez5-device.so, but attempting this with pacmd gets me module load failed. So I'm stumped. Linux seems to support this device, or the bluetooth icon in gnome wouldn't have appeared. It can connect to the headset, there's just no sound. i've verified that the a2dp profile is set in gnome's sound settings. I'm using fedora 23, completely up to date as of five minutes ago, with a reboot to see if that helps. One quirk of this dongle is that it doesn't seem to work until I unplug and replug. Until I do, the text in gnome's bluetooth settings reads as, available as "bastian's computer and available for bluetooth file transfers. Transferred files are placed in the downloads folder". Once I plug the device in, it changes to "available as tigger and available for bluetooth file transfers. Transferred files are placed in the downloads folder" Is this a quirk of gnome or the device? I've done some research, and saw some posts on the linux kernel mailing list where another person was having the same problem with a different device with the same broadcom chip, a bcm20702a1, although it was a different vid and pid. Support for all broadcom bluetooth usb chips was supposed to be in kernel since kernel 3.2. I've already posted this to the manjaro mailing lists, and was instructed by phil to download a firmware file from amazon s3, place it in /lib/firmware/brcm, but it didn't help. I'm completely stumped. Anyone have any advice, help, etc? Thanks for reading Kendell clark

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Appdata files template for Fedora Workstation
by Luya Tshimbalanga 16 Jan '16

16 Jan '16

Based on the Workstation wiki related to appdata addons[1], I created each metainfo.xml for the missing addons including for some applications like Blender.[2] Nearly all on them are associated with the related applications and it is a matter of filling the missing informations. Each metainfo.xml is validated by appstream-lib so downstream can submit the completed addon appdata to upstream. For more details, please read http://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/sect-Quickstart-Addons.h… P.S: I realized I forgot to add .desktop extension but the guideline will suffice. Reference: --------------- [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/AddonAppdata [2] https://luya.fedorapeople.org/appdata/ -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org W: http://www.coolest-storm.net

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Case against Firefox in FESCo
by Jiri Eischmann 15 Jan '16

15 Jan '16

Hi, there is currently a case against Firefox discussed in FESCo: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518 The problem in short: The last release of Firefox doesn't allow the user to install add-ons which are not signed by Mozilla by default, in the next version, you won't even be able to disable this behavior. This means that a couple of add-ons that are packaged by Fedora won't work. In my opinion, this problem has an impact on a relatively small number of users while suggested solutions will have an impact on majority of Workstation users. The author of the original ticket recommends Firefox is removed altogether if Mozilla doesn't change their plan, another suggestion is to switch to ESR which would mean that Fedora would have as conservative approach to Firefox updates as RHEL. Firefox is probably the most important desktop app in Fedora, so I wonder whether the Workstation working group should voice its opinion in this before any decision is made. Jiri

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Invitation: Fedora Release Tools Demo (Live Broadcast) @ Tue Jan 19, 2016 12pm - 1pm (acarter@redhat.com)
by Amanda Carter 14 Jan '16

14 Jan '16

You have been invited to the following event. Title: Fedora Release Tools Demo (Live Broadcast) Hangout: https://plus.google.com/events/c0tj1nkdp2e9rv6amppkao6ipl4 The hangout will be broadcast live & posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG4uoV5u8nk Q&A - #fedora-meeting -- Purpose: The purpose of a demo is to show our stakeholders what we completed this iteration, get feedback from them about the changes & set some context and expectation with them about our direction. Demo agenda & previous demos can be viewed here: http://taiga.fedorainfracloud.org/project/acarter-fedora-docker-atomic-tool… Highlights today: - Koji signed repos Signed repos changes in staging instance Comps support - Layered Images Distgit & pkgdb changes to support containers - Pungi Large set of Pungi changes since last demo - Livemedia-creator Updates to spin kickstarts files Koji uses livemedia-creator to create livecds instead of livecd-creator - Other Tunir test automation to verify AMIs in EC2 BugYou official release, docs publication & autocloud plugin When: Tue Jan 19, 2016 12pm - 1pm Eastern Time Where: Hangout on Air / YouTube live stream Calendar: acarter(a)redhat.com Who: * acarter(a)redhat.com - organizer * rbarlow(a)redhat.com * twaugh(a)redhat.com * mmcgrath(a)redhat.com * server(a)lists.fedoraproject.org * rel-eng(a)lists.fedoraproject.org * desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org * kasingh(a)redhat.com * rcm-tools(a)redhat.com * sgallagh(a)redhat.com * aos-devel * cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Event details: https://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=dWkzcjBxM2xqbHFtb3Fid… Invitation from Google Calendar: https://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this courtesy email at the account desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future updates for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google account at https://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar. Forwarding this invitation could allow any recipient to modify your RSVP response. Learn more at https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37135#forwarding

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espeak has been forked
by kendell clark 14 Jan '16

14 Jan '16

hi all Sorry I forgot to post this hear before now, I'm still catching up after the holidays. I've been a little quiet hear lately, other than my little rant about chrome, lol. I'm planning to be a lot more active in the fedora community than I have been, mostly because I like fedora's stance on free software, and because you guys really take accessibility seriously. Back on point, the espeak <http:// espeak.sf.net> text to speech synthesizer was forked about a month ago by reece dunn, the developer of espeak for android. I have already gotten this added to the manjaro linux distro, which my linux distribution, sonar, is based on. The new program is called espeak-ng, the ng standing for next generation. I would like to eventually get the espeak package in fedora changed to espeak-ng. There is a problem though. Espeak-ng has not yet had a formal release. Reece is planning to release one "soon", although no definite date on when "soon" is, so I'm not sure when to file a ticket for this. You can check espeak-ng out at, http://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng.git. The fork was done mainly because multiple people, me included, have tried getting in touch with espeak's main developer, johnathan duddington, some going as far as to get his home address in the UK and his phone number, both of which no longer seem to be valid. Internally there have been a ton of changes that make espeak-ng better, most of them well over my head. Espeak-ng now uses the standard autotools build system, and autodetects your audio environment so there's no need to specify this stuff in the spec file. It uses a c99 compiler, whatever in the world that is, lol. My questions are these. Should I wait until espeak has had a formal release, which will start out at 1.49.0, continuing the espeak release numbering scheme, before requesting a package review? I'll need to see if I can build an rpm spec file that will successfully build and compile first. I'm not very experienced in this, and as some of you will remember, had a hard time figuring out on the irc channels. Second, if espeak-ng is adopted, could this be backported to all supported fedora releases? I'm not sure if espeak itself, not espeak-ng, will see any further development, but I doubt it. I'm still new at packaging things for fedora, so I apologize for all the questions. Espeak-ng will of course maintain the same license as espeak itself, which is gpl3 or later. I wouldn't recommend packaging espeak-ng for fedora just yet, since it's in a state of flux at the moment and sometimes won't build. Any help would really be appreciated. I am a member of fedora, although I'll have to try to remember my account info to log in, if I need to file anything. Any wiki docs would help too, since i don't want to burden anyone with info that's already available elsewhere that I can read. Thanks for reading Kendell clark

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Call for Fedora 24 Test Days
by Adam Williamson 13 Jan '16

13 Jan '16

The Fedora 24 schedule [1] is winding up, and it's time we started thinking about what we'd want to have a test day for. There are several changes accepted already for F24, and the window for proposals is still open so more may come. You can find the list of accepted Changes here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/ChangeSet Please take some time and look through the list and see if there's anything you'd be interested in testing - or if there's something you think should get some testing that isn't in the ChangeSet! For those of you not familiar with them, a test day is an online event aimed at testing a specific feature of an upcoming Fedora release. By utilizing IRC for organization/coordination and a Wiki page for instructions and results, test days are easy to organize. Anyone can request to host a test day or request that the QA team help you out with the organization of the test day. A test day can be run for any feature or area of a distribution that focused testing would be useful for. More information on test days can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days . To propose a test day, file a ticket on the QA Trac. A full explanation can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Create The SOP for hosting a test day is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management Traditionally test days have been held on Thursdays, but if you'd prefer to have it on another day that's fine too. We're pretty flexible, but having plenty of lead time helps to get the word out. Just put in your ticket the date or time-frame you'd like, and we'll figure it out from there. If you have any questions about test days or the process, please don't hesitate to contact me or any other QA Team member in #fedora-qa on Freenode or respond on the test list. Thanks and happy testing! [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2015-Jan-06
by Paul W. Frields 10 Jan '16

10 Jan '16

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-06/workstation.2016… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-06/workstation.2016… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-06/workstation.2016… Note that we did not have a quorum, so no firm decisions, but I took some minutes to reflect consensus for the group that showed up. * * * =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by stickster at 15:00:10 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-01-06/workstation.2016… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 15:00:16) * stickster reverses order of agenda since aday is here (stickster, 15:07:51) * Default installed apps (stickster, 15:08:03) * LINK: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2016-January/msg00000.html -- proposed upstream moduleset changes (stickster, 15:11:14) * Photos is still missing some arguably important core features. While we don't necessarily need parity to make a default app switch, consensus is that Photos is not yet meeting a minimum bar to make it a comfortable default, but probably will be in GNOME 3.22/F25 (stickster, 15:22:49) * Music is in a similar situation (stickster, 15:23:05) * Shotwell has an additional issue -- not maintained any longer (at least main fork). Meeting attendees seemed to agree it's worth taking on the risk of bugs/issues, rather than switching the default prematurely. (stickster, 15:25:57) * IDEA: After F24/F25 branching, switch default in Rawhide (pre-F25) to Music + Photos, with time to revert later if upstream (3.22) isn't judged ready; F24 defaults (Shotwell, RB) stay same as F23 for now (stickster, 15:31:43) * Removing empathy seems to be the general consensus as well, nothing controversial. Note that mcatanzaro has a patch prepared that will remove configuration of accounts in g-c-c (making them disappear in that view to avoid confusion) (stickster, 15:50:48) * AGREED: (non-voting) General consensus with mcatanzaro's proposal to keep Workstation default apps aligned with core moduleset upstream, modulo specific changes (right now, Rhythmbox + Shotwell) (stickster, 15:52:23) * Missing dnf-langpacks (stickster, 15:52:37) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1286527 (stickster, 15:53:11) * seems to be excluded due to "-@standard" declaraction in fedora-live-base.ks (stickster, 15:59:51) * IDEA: mcatanzaro suggests just adding to workstation comps to compensate (stickster, 16:00:09) * ACTION: stickster reply on list to Parag to see if we can get fixed (stickster, 16:01:08) Meeting ended at 16:01:26 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stickster reply on list to Parag to see if we can get fixed Action Items, by person ----------------------- * stickster * stickster reply on list to Parag to see if we can get fixed * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (69) * mcatanzaro (66) * aday (19) * zodbot (10) * mclasen (9) * rdieter (6) * mclasen___ (1) * aday_ (1) * linuxmodder (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Missing dnf-langpacks package in Workstation Live iso
by Parag Nemade 07 Jan '16

07 Jan '16

Hi, Since we moved from yum-langpacks to dnf-langpacks package and yum to dnf package in Fedora 22+ comps files, we have lost langpacks plugin in Workstation Live iso. Till Fedora 21 we were having yum-langpacks package available in Workstation Live iso. I am not sure what has changed when we moved from yum to dnf but we need this dnf-langpacks package to be added in the Workstation Live iso. I have requested this addition against spin-kickstarts package. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1286527 Can Workstation WG discuss on this and add dnf-langpacks to fedora-workstation-packages.ks file? Regards, Parag.

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Shotwell update
by Michael Catanzaro 06 Jan '16

06 Jan '16

Hi Fedora desktop users and testers, I'm pushing a git snapshot of Shotwell into F23 and F22 in order to fix a serious security issue ("Shotwell does not verify TLS certificates"). Upstream is no longer active and I do not expect any further upstream releases unless someone from the community steps up to maintain it, hence the decision to package a git snapshot. What is the impact of the issue? If you ever used any of the publish functionality (publish to Facebook, publish to Flickr, etc.), your passwords may have been stolen; changing them is not a bad idea. What is the risk of the update? Regressions. The easiest way to validate TLS certificates was to upgrade WebKit; it seems to work but I don't have accounts with the online services it supports, so I don't know if photo publishing still works properly on all the services. I've turned off autokarma so these will spend a full week in updates- testing. The updates are: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-902a2b18d8 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-191ff70357 Michael

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Proposed default app changes for F24
by Michael Catanzaro 05 Jan '16

05 Jan '16

Hi, Hope you had a good holiday season. I propose again some changes to the default apps for F24: * Empathy - remove without replacement. I use it myself, but I think I'm a minority -- we don't need to have a chat app installed by default anymore, since not many people are using the chat protocols supported by Empathy nowadays. A prominent exception is IRC, but that's only popular for Fedora/FLOSS developers, not for software developers in general. Empathy's UI is also looking quite dated. As part of this, we would remove chat integration from the Online Accounts panel in system settings. (This is easy; I've already done it for an unrelated project.) If you want Empathy you can still install it. * Shotwell -> GNOME Photos. Photos works well for me, and Shotwell is unmaintained upstream for almost a year now. I'm going to package a git snapshot for us to get in some security fixes, since I don't expect an upstream release anytime soon. If you want Shotwell for more advanced features, you can still install it. * Rhythmbox -> GNOME Music. I'm using it every day. It works great and doesn't look like a database frontend. If you want Rhythmbox you can still install it. There are a couple rough edges left, but it's much nicer than Rhythmbox overall. One blocker, though: this would need to be conditional on getting GNOME#747953 (information leak via plain text HTTP connection) fixed first. Michael

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Workstation WG call for agenda 2015-Jan-06
by Paul W. Frields 04 Jan '16

04 Jan '16

The Workstation WG meeting is scheduled for this Wednesday, 2015-Jan-06 at 1500 UTC (10:00 EST, 16:00 CEST). This agenda is open for additions/corrections; please send by Tuesday evening at 2200 UTC. * Missing dnf-langpacks in Workstation -- is this intentional? If not, what needs to happen to restore these? <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop%40lists.fedoraproject…> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1286527> * Default package changes proposed: * Remove: empathy * Change: shotwell -> gnome-photos (* could be deferred to F25?) * Change: rhythmbox -> gnome-music (* could be deferred to F25?) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Wayland session: complete system crash moving windows in overview mode...
by Alex G.S. 04 Jan '16

04 Jan '16

Dear list, Very odd bug on F23 on the GNOME Wayland session that results in a total system crash, I have to power cycle the machine in order to reset. When I'm in overview mode and move windows such as terminals from one monitor to the other or one workspace to the other I get this crash. See attached below for bug links. Do you have any information on this or whether a fix can be backported to F23 from upstream? Thank you for any help you can provide! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1294943 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753690 Best, Alex G.S.

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