Recently the Workstation working group agreed to match the GNOME apps
we install by default in Fedora with upstream GNOME's core apps. We
will by default sync our default apps to upstream's, and make
exceptions only for exceptional reasons if when proposed on this list.
This adds a bit more cement to our status as the best GNOME
distribution with minimal divergence from upstream.
I worked upstream with designers and release team to move many
desirable apps into core, to better match what we're currently shipping
in Fedora. I also created a gnome-incubator metamodule upstream, which
is where we'll put apps that we want to be core apps by design, but
which we recognize are not yet ready to be installed by default in
distributions. Currently that is home to bijiben, gnome-boxes, gnome-
calendar, gnome-dictionary, gnome-music, and gnome-photos.
Here is how we currently diverge from the new upstream recommendations:
Apps missing from Fedora: epiphany, gnome-logs
Extra apps in Fedora: bijiben, evolution, gnome-boxes, shotwell, rhythmbox
I see little value in discussing Epiphany again right now. Let's make an exception for that.
I have added Logs in Fedora just now, as I expect that will be uncontroversial and I don't see any value in diverging from upstream here.
Bijiben is just not very good yet, and it's not under active
development. There's no good reason for us to diverge from upstream
here, and I expect it will be uncontroversial, so I've dropped it.
I guess Evolution might be controversial; I use it religiously, and
many of you probably do too. But the user interface is complex and
confusing; users should not be exposed to this by default, barring
drastic UI changes that are outside the scope of the Evolution project.
Evolution is a great mail client for power users, but I'm confident
that the average user will be better off with webmail services; folks
who want a desktop client can simply install one, after all. We intend
to replace it with GNOME Mail eventually, but nobody has started
developing it yet. I propose we drop Evolution, but I have not done so
yet, pending further discussion.
Boxes has too many serious bugs right now, so it cannot go into gnome-
core yet, but we intend it to eventually. Since this is a significant
application, I have not yet removed it from our default install,
pending further discussion. My main concern is that it would look odd
for us to remove such a significant app from the default install, then
bring it back in a year or two. On the other hand, users won't notice a
thing unless they make a habit of reinstalling Fedora, and it's not
good to include apps we can't fully recommend. It's not clear to me
what choice is best here.
I propose we make temporary exceptions to keep Shotwell and Rhythmbox, until their intended replacements, Photos and Music, move into
upstream's GNOME core moduleset. That will very likely happen for
Photos for F25. I'm less certain about Music.
it seems the latest webkitgtk4 update breaks Evolution and epiphany.
As a workaround downgrading webkitgtk4 packages fixes the problem.
Am Freitag, den 23.09.2016, 21:57 +0200 schrieb Heiko Adams:
> after updating to Gnome 3.22 it seems that at least evolution and
> epiphany are broken but I'm affraid the problem affects any app
> deals with html conten.
> So please unpush that update and fix the problem ASAP.
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1378985
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1378987
> BTW: Trying to karma for that update freezes my browsers (firefox
> chromium) while loading the update-details page.
Hi, folks. openQA hit this crash:
in gnome-shell twice today in testing the Fedora-25-20160923.n.0
the test in question boots the nightly live image, runs a default
install creating a user named 'test', boots the installed system and
logs in as that user. In both cases gnome-shell crashed shortly after
login, and the system returned to GDM (which obviously causes the test
I do believe I actually saw the same crash in another test run recently
on staging, too. It seems like something is genuinely wrong. Could
someone please check it? Thanks.
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There isn't a Fedora Desktop with GNOME 3.x, only with KDE, LXDE and other spins and a Fedora Workstation with GNOME. I am not a developer, only a curious user and I like GNOME so much, but I don't develop software. So, why not to provide a GNOME 3.x desktop?
Will https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770887 affect Fedora
25? I've been running with the check disabled for a while and have had
only minor problems. I think extensions are a wonderful power-user
feature and this is a nice step forward — is it something we should add
to our F25 talking points?
Ironically, though, I think the Extension Update Notifier Extension
_itself_ is broken....
Fedora Project Leader