Hi, here are my Gemini-assisted minutes for this week's meeting:
Meeting Attendance and Logistics: Matthias Clasen opened the meeting,
noting that Michael Catanzaro would be taking notes for the month. Neal
Gompa (Conan Kudo) mentioned that they would be absent the following
week due to travel commitments for Flock.
Libcanberra Dependency Removal: Matthias Clasen initiated a discussion
on removing the libcanberra dependency, which is still required by
several desktop packages in Fedora, including GNOME Shell and MATE.
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) noted that it affects three out of six desktop
environments in Fedora, as it is deeply wired into notification
systems. Because upstream libcanberra has been abandoned for
approximately 14 years, the consensus was to remove this dependency.
Matthias Clasen took the action to contact GNOME Shell maintainers,
such as Florian or Jonas, to discuss rerouting sounds to PipeWire
instead. (This discussion was prompted by the orphaning of libcanberra;
however, a new maintainer has fortunately already taken the package, so
the immediate problem is already resolved.)
Showtime Package Status: The group discussed the status of the Showtime
package, which Michael Catanzaro reported is currently orphaned. Neal
Gompa (Conan Kudo) clarified that because the package was previously
maintained by a member of the KDE SIG who no longer wishes to carry it,
it requires a new human maintainer to continue. The participants agreed
that since SIGs cannot own packages directly, the project remains in
need of a volunteer.
Replacing GNOME Keyring with 007: Matthias Clasen proposed replacing
the gnome-keyring daemon with 007. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) committed to
managing this transition for Fedora Workstation, as they are already
performing the same task for Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop to maintain
consistency. The discussion highlighted the complexity of the
migration, which will involve updating PAM configurations. Participants
also noted that applications such as Seahorse might need updates to
handle 007's ability to lock individual items rather than just the
entire keyring. Matthias Clasen agreed to install and test Key Rack, a
modern application that might serve as a suitable replacement for
managing secrets.
Removing dbus-daemon: The team explored strategies to remove
dbus-daemon to avoid installing both the daemon and dbus-broker
concurrently. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) identified that dbus-daemon is
pulled in by dependencies like Anaconda and various network management
tools. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) committed to investigating how to modify
Anaconda's dependency to prevent it from pulling in dbus-daemon when it
is not needed. Matthias Clasen took the action to contact the Anaconda
team to discuss the possibility of the installer self-removing the
package after installation, which would solve a long-standing issue
present in most other major installers.
Replacing xvfb-run with wl-headless-run: Matthias Clasen asked about
replacing the xvfb-run utility with wl-headless-run for testing
purposes. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) confirmed that this is the correct
approach for modern testing environments. To ensure incremental
progress, Matthias Clasen proposed adding this replacement to the
package duty checklist, allowing maintainers to update packages to the
new standard during regular maintenance.
LibreOffice Dictionaries: Jens-Ulrik Petersen provided an update on the
team's efforts to package LibreOffice dictionaries to address coverage
gaps in Fedora. The group discussed the difficulty of performing direct
replacements for existing aspell dictionaries, noting that technical
differences and divergence make a simple swap unfeasible in some cases.
The consensus was to make the LibreOffice dictionaries available in
parallel, allowing users to select them, with the eventual goal of
phasing out older, unmaintained dictionaries.
Internationalization: The meeting concluded with a discussion on the
high quality of internationalization and localization work in the GNOME
and KDE stacks, which are capable of rendering complex scripts like
Mongolian.
Marketing: Matthias Clasen and Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) agreed to create
a tracking ticket to document new features and coordinate marketing
efforts before final releases.
