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Fedora Workstation Working Group meeting URL changed
by Tomáš Popela 14 May '26

14 May '26

Hi everyone, Please update your bookmarks for the Fedora Workstation Working Group meeting as we have moved it to https://meet.google.com/agm-ziyz-qps hoping to resolve internal issues with notes availability from Gemini. Bye, Tom

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Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting Notes, 12 May
by Nieves Montero Fernandez 12 May '26

12 May '26

Attendees - Allan - Chris - Jens - Lee Thomas - Michael - Nieves - Tomas Summary Meeting discussions addressed Fedora package management, Bugzilla workflow improvements and GNOME desktop configuration standards. Package Management and Thumbnailers The team decided to implement a "Provides" entry for GStreamer thumbnailers to replace the outdated Totem-video-thumbnailer package. This ensures system cleanliness and proper package updates. Bugzilla Workflow and Assignees Participants agreed to adopt Bugzilla templates for upstream reporting while retaining autoresponders for component shifts. They resolved to proceed with default assignee plans if approvals remain pending. Installation and Software Maintenance The group prioritized streamlining initial setup for language and keyboard layouts while agreeing to downgrade Shotwell due to unstable upstream releases. Next steps - [image: unchecked] [Tomáš Popela] Create Meeting: Create a new meeting event using a new meeting ID. Update the meeting invitation and agenda with the new link. - [image: unchecked] [Tomáš Popela] Send Announcement: Send an announcement email regarding the new meeting details to the Fedora desktop list. - [image: unchecked] [Tomáš Popela] Redirect Attendees: Join the old meeting during its first occurrence. Move attending people to the newly created meeting. - [image: unchecked] [Michael Catanzaro] Coordinate Bugzilla: Talk to Brendan about Bugzilla rule maintenance and necessary changes. Sort out permissions needed for managing the autoresponder rule. - [image: unchecked] [Tomáš Popela] Check Web UI: Ask Alexandra for web UI documentation. Verify if the web UI honors initial setup settings, like the previous installer did. Details #topic totem-video-thumbnailer not removed on upgrade to Fedora 44 #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/513 - Resolution of Gemini Meeting ID Conflict: The current "Gemini" meeting event requires creating a new meeting with a new ID and link to resolve the conflict. Tomáš Popela plans to send an announcement email to the Fedora desktop list later this week and will update the link in the agenda and meeting invitation. They will also join the old meeting for the first occurrence of the new one to redirect attendees. - Totem Video Thumbnailer Upgrade Issue: The meeting discussed an issue regarding the `totem-video-thumbnailer` package not being removed during the upgrade to Fedora 44, despite the plan to replace it with `GST thumbnailers`. The retention of the older package might cause confusion, and a bug report has been opened about this issue. Michael Catanzaro suggested a "foolproof solution" would be to have `Gstream thumbnailers` provide the `totem-video-thumbnailer` package, even though this is not technically accurate. - Functionality of Thumbnailers and Orphaned Packages: The functional difference between the GStreamer and Totem thumbnailers is that they produce thumbnails at slightly different points in the video, often off by a second or two. The GStreamer version is preferred because it is what upstream uses, and Totem is basically unmaintained. Additionally, the topic of orphaning packages was raised, noting that `Glo` and `Glo plugins` will be orphaned soon, which will impact packages like `Rhythmbox-glo-music` and `totem`, due to the maintainer's inactive email address. - Proposed Solution for Thumbnailer Conflict: Since the GStreamer thumbnailer is the desired default and users are unlikely to notice a change in functionality, the only viable solution identified is to implement a `provides` entry, which would require synchronization with the `totem-thumbnailer` package. This approach is intended to ensure system cleanliness and ensure users receive the GStreamer package. *#topic Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/131 <https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/131> #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/475 <https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/475> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2467742 <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2467742>* - Bugzilla Autoresponder and Template Discussion: The group discussed the request from Fesco to update the text of the autoresponder rule concerning non-GNOME packages being in "bad shape," which has already been altered. Fesco suggested exploring the idea of using a Bugzilla template to prompt users to report issues in the upstream tracker instead of downstream. The current concern is that the autoresponder might still be necessary for issues moved between components, as the template is only presented when a bug is initially created. - Maintenance of Bugzilla Rules and Templates: Maintaining both the Bugzilla rule and the templates requires permissions within the Fedora PM Bugzilla group, which neither Tomáš Popela nor Michael Catanzaro currently possess. Michael Catanzaro noted the importance of discouraging users from reporting issues in the wrong place initially, and keeping the autoresponder for issues moved between components. Michael Catanzaro intends to talk to Brendan Konoboy to sort out the rule and template maintenance. - Default Bug Assignees and Process: Michael Catanzaro stated that if a human is not reading bug reports, the assignee should be the SIG, and they want to finish the plan to set default assignees. The current process involves pinging people for approval, but Michael Catanzaro suggested they could proceed faster by making the change if people do not respond. - Future of Bugzilla and Fedora: Tomáš Popela mentioned that there appears to be confusion regarding the future of Bugzilla and Fedora, noting that a project about its future was moved to another person, and they are awaiting a new contact for an update. The group agreed to implement the template, keep the autoresponder for moved issues, and be more aggressive about finishing the default assignee plan. *#topic gnome-initial-setup, language and keyboard layout choice #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/512 <https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/512>* - GNOME Initial Setup Language and Keyboard Layout Choice: The discussion addressed an issue raised in Silverblue regarding duplication in the initial setup for language and keyboard layout, leading to an idea about supporting OEM installations. Allan Day noted that the issue applies to a broader set of use cases beyond just OEM installs, such as a family member or support department installing the OS for a user. - Actionable Steps for Initial Setup Issue: Michael Catanzaro indicated they need to discuss the issue with the Anaconda developers to ensure agreement between GNOME initial setup and Anaconda, particularly for skipping language and keyboard layout in Anaconda. Tomáš Popela committed to checking with Alexandra to confirm whether the web UI honors the same configuration settings as the old UI for skipping steps. The consensus was that installing the system in one language (e.g., English) and allowing the end user to pick their language later is a valid use case. - Shotwell Downgrade Proposal: Michael Catanzaro proposed downgrading Shotwell, adding an epoch that will last forever, and possibly orphaning the package due to issues with version 0.33 alpha being broken. Upstream maintainers have also requested the downgrade to the stable version. Tomáš Popela agreed with the idea of potentially removing the package from the GNOME SIG package set because the upstream maintainer is not following standard release conventions, which could cause recurring maintenance issues.

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Fwd: Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting Notes, 5 May
by Nieves Montero Fernandez 11 May '26

11 May '26

Attendees - Allan - Chris - Luigi - Matthias - Michael - Neal - Nieves - Tomas Summary Meeting attendees managed administrative processes and coordinated Fedora 45 planning alongside user feedback and feature requests. Administrative and Planning Setup Participants addressed note-taking responsibilities and clarified access issues with meeting minutes. The group initiated planning for Fedora 45 by identifying key feature changes and release requirements. Feedback and Feature Debates Members discussed negative user feedback regarding navigation and desktop functionality. The team evaluated implementation timelines for Flatpak filtering and potential keyboard shortcuts for system monitoring. System Configuration and Resolution A decision was made to avoid downstream schema overrides for the system monitor shortcut request by deferring to upstream policy. Development plans were reviewed for Anaconda keyboard configurations. Next steps - [image: unchecked] [Tomáš Popela] Fix Notes: Try figuring out meeting notes access issues. Attempt recreating the meeting for next week. - [image: unchecked] [Tomáš Popela] Revive Calendar: Revive the FA 45 planning calendar. Bring any identified items onto the agenda. - [image: unchecked] [Michael Catanzaro] Send Minutes: Manually send Gemini meeting notes to Nieves Montero Fernandez after the meeting. - [image: unchecked] [Luigi Pavan] Implement Filtering: Start focusing on the implementation work for Flatpak filtering for Fedora 45. - [image: unchecked] [Allan Day] Investigate Logout: Look into the reported complaints regarding the missing log out button. - [image: unchecked] [Allan Day] Comment Shortcut: Comment on the upstream shortcut request issue. - [image: unchecked] [Tomáš Popela] Comment Shortcut: Add a comment to the Fedora shortcut request issue. - [image: unchecked] [Michael Catanzaro] Tackle Keyboard: Tackle the complicated work of implementing language and keyboard selection before the live desktop loads (Issue 511). Assign this ticket to himself. Details - Secretary Assignment and Meeting Minutes Access Issues: Michael Catanzaro described their process for selecting the secretary, which involves cycling through the working group member list and noted that the previous secretary was Allan. The current secretary was identified as Nieves Montero Fernandez. There was a significant discussion regarding difficulties accessing the meeting minutes document, as Tomáš Popela reported not having access despite creating the calendar event and sending an access request. Michael Catanzaro indicated the meeting notes are set to be sent to invited guests in the organization, and Tomáš Popela planned to attempt recreating the meeting for the following week to resolve this issue. - Secretary Note-Taking Process and Reliance on AI: Nieves Montero Fernandez inquired about their role in taking notes, and Tomáš Popela explained that the Gemini AI tool is taking the notes, but the secretary is expected to review and correct the notes afterward, especially to fix incorrectly identified names. Michael Catanzaro offered to manually send the notes to Nieves Montero Fernandez following the meeting and suggested trusting the AI for the current week, but acknowledged they might need to revert to manual notes next week if the process is unsuccessful. - Reviving the Fedora 45 Planning Calendar and Call for Changes: Tomáš Popela brought up the need to revive the Workstation planning calendar, which helps track necessary scheduled items for releases like Fedora (FA) 45, as this task had been neglected. The first item on the calendar for the day was a call for Workstation changes planned for Fedora 45, intended to identify big changes or features that should be enabled or re-enabled in Rawhide for additional testing during the development phase. - Proposed Feature Changes for Fedora 45: Matthias Clasen mentioned two specific items for Fedora 45 planning: the agreed-upon change of replacing Log-Kitting with O7, and retiring `dbus-daemon` and replacing it with `dbus-broker`. Matthias Clasen also mentioned they hope to have session saving support fully implemented by the fall, which could be advertised in the next release. Luigi Pavan raised the topic of Flatpak filtering, which they noted is currently blocked on changes to the GNOME Software application's preferences dialog. - Discussion of Flatpak Filtering Implementation Timeline: Michael Catanzaro clarified that while Alan Day and Milan are planning to work on the GNOME Software configuration changes, no one is currently working on the actual implementation of the Flatpak filter itself. Luigi Pavan expressed willingness to work on the filter and sought confirmation on an expected timeline, as they believe the filter implementation could start before the GNOME Software changes land. Michael Catanzaro confirmed they can proceed with the implementation now, but politically they must respect the agreement to ship the filter configuration capability in the same release as the filter, accepting that the release may be delayed if the configuration is not ready. - Negative Feedback on Missing Log Out Button: Matthias Clasen brought up the negative feedback received around the Fedora 40 release regarding the disappearance of the Log Out button, which Alan Day was unaware of. Michael Catanzaro confirmed there have been several complaints, explaining that the GNOME Shell does not display the Log Out option in the system status menu if the system has only one human user account and one available desktop session. Allan Day offered to look into the issue. - General Desktop Negative Feedback and Micro Stutters: Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) noted that there has been more concentrated negative feedback regarding the disabling of middle-click paste than the Log Out button issue. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) also highlighted recurrent complaints about missing application indicator functionality and issues with fractional scaling, as well as micro stutters in applications like Google Chrome. Michael Catanzaro suggested the stuttering issue, which affects the entire desktop, is likely GPU related, and recommended trying Chrome's hidden config flags to disable GPU usage for debugging. - Request for System Monitor Keyboard Shortcut: Tomáš Popela introduced a new business item concerning a request for a keyboard shortcut to launch the system monitor, following the previous discussion about adding a shortcut for the terminal. They noted that the upstream position, shared by internally by Jack, was to allow terminal launching to be the only such exception. Allan Day suggested differentiating whether this is a theoretical request or an actual need, noting that the System Monitor is more complex than a simple task manager used historically on Windows for killing unresponsive apps. - Decision on System Monitor Shortcut Request: Michael Catanzaro suggested it would be better to add the capability to set a shortcut without actually setting one, to avoid multiple requests for specific apps like System Monitor. Tomáš Popela asked if they should defer to upstream, and Michael Catanzaro stated that the request is not important enough for a downstream schema override. Allan Day agreed to comment on the upstream issue to suggest keeping shortcuts limited to a small set of frequently used small utilities, and Tomáš Popela will comment on the Fedora issue deferring to upstream. - Anaconda Keyboard Configuration Support for Live Session: Tomáš Popela inquired about the status of issue 511, requesting support for a keyboard configuration for the Anaconda online environment, which Tomáš Popela suspected should be assigned to Michael Catanzaro. Michael Catanzaro confirmed awareness of the issue, which they described as tricky, and noted that previous attempts at using `localectl` proved insufficient. Michael Catanzaro plans to try resurrecting patches to move language and keyboard layout selection to before launching the live desktop, with the goal of avoiding redundancy by asking the user only once and propagating the settings through the installation process. - Final Reminders and Closing: Matthias Clasen offered a small reminder that they will be traveling the following week and will miss the Tuesday meeting, but will be at the Linux Application Summit (LAS) and might have a trip report in two weeks. Matthias Clasen also mentioned that the group was discussed on This Week in GNOME (TWIG) in the context of the backporting policy.

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May 12, 2026 Workstation Working Group Meeting
by Tomáš Popela 11 May '26

11 May '26

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday, May 12 at 10:00 AM EDT (14:00 UTC). This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Join link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Tentative Agenda #topic totem-video-thumbnailer not removed on upgrade to Fedora 44 #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/513 #topic Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/131 #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/475 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2467742 #topic gnome-initial-setup, language and keyboard layout choice #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/512 Chair: Tomas Secretary: Nieves

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May 5, 2026 Workstation Working Group Meeting
by Tomáš Popela 04 May '26

04 May '26

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday, May 5 at 10:00 AM EDT (14:00 UTC). This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Join link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Tentative Agenda #topic Call for Workstation Changes/plans for Fedora 45 #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-45/f-45-workstation-tasks.html #topic Add keyboard shortcut to launch system monitor #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/511 #topic Please support org.freedesktop.locale1 keyboard configuration for Anaconda on Live environment #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/430 Chair: Tomas Secretary: ??

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Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting Notes, 28 April
by Allan Day 28 Apr '26

28 Apr '26

# Fedora Workstation Working Group meeting, 28 April 2026 ## Attendees - Allan - Chris - Luigi - Matthias - Michael - Nieves ## Rotating working group chair - Today is the last day of Michael's chair duty for the Fedora 44 - Last week the group agreed to rotate the chair on a monthly basis - Matthias was next on the list, but has requested not to do it in May. Apparently that means it's Allan next. - Protocol for chairs: - Review open tickets - Tag tickets with the meeting tag to put them on the agenda - Send out the agenda each week - Keep track of who the secretary is - Tomáš volunteers to be chair in May (thanks Tomáš!) - Luigi suggests that we have docs on how to chair the group - ACTION: Michael to write a chairing guide ## Replace gnome-keyring-daemon with oo7-daemon #506 - Topic is: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/506 - The GNOME keyring maintainers are in favour - Michael, Tomáš and Matthias are in favour. The stack needs to be modernized. - ACTION: Michael/Matthias will additionally pursue making the change in gnome-build-meta - AGREED: replacement approved ## Automatically update appstream-data #507 - Topic is: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/507 - See: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/appstream-data - Apps can disappear in GNOME Software for periods due to this issue - We need to regenerate the metadata automatically; hughsie is busy with other things - In the past it has been difficult to get something built automatically on Fedora infra when it isn't a package, but things could have changed since then - Tomáš recommends that we ask Kevin from CPE about it (he's on the workstation channel) - ACTION: Matthias to do this ## Remove remnants of ABRT #503 - Topic is: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/503 - We discussed this last week with Jeff. The conclusion was that we want Workstation and KDE to do the same thing. - Jeff also suggested that we post another call for volunteers on Discourse - Michael proposes that we remove abrt for Fedora 45, and volunteers to coordinate with the KDE team - AGREED: there were no objections, removal is approved ## Enable a subset of Flathub by default #492 - Topic: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/492 - This would require a change proposal and FESCo approval - Michael wants to hear opinions - there are pros and cons - Michael has concerns about the security of Flathub builds compared with Fedora builds - Other issues raised by Michael: - Apps stuck on EoL runtimes - Open source apps not being built from source - If we do include a subset of Flathub, we will probably want to rethink the 3rd party repos - There is a proposal from Michael in #492: - Flathub would only build open source software from source, and would expose only that set of apps - The "open" Flathub apps would then be enabled by default in Fedora, with lower priority than Fedora Flatpaks - Suggestion: WG members to review the proposal in the ticket so we can discuss more Next meeting: May 5th

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Worktation WG Meeting Apr 21, 2026 at 08:57 CDT
by Matthias Clasen 21 Apr '26

21 Apr '26

Summary Working group approved a rotating chair, confirmed a magazine article is urgently required for Fedora 44, and expressed skepticism about the 2028 bootc transition. Approved Rotating Chair Schedule The working group approved implementing a monthly rotating chair position to distribute the commitment since no volunteers stepped forward. The rotation schedule conflicts will be resolved ad-hoc, with the list starting with Matis or Allan. Addressing Crash Reporting Future The group addressed the plan to remove all ABRT components for Fedora 45 because the project is abandoned and unsupported. Neal Gompa suggested exploring Canonical’s Apport and Launchpad for crash reporting, despite requiring Fedora users to have an Ubuntu One account. Flatpak and Bootc Strategy A mandatory prerequisite for implementing the Flatpak filter in Fedora Workstation is designing a prioritization dialogue for GNOME Software. Neal Gompa expressed skepticism that the bootc transition for Fedora Workstation will be complete by the 2028 target date, suggesting a later timeframe is more realistic. Next steps [Michael Catanzaro] Update Issue 503: Post status update regarding removing Abert remnants to the issue report. [Michael Catanzaro] Schedule Abert Vote: Keep Abert removal on the agenda for a future meeting. Schedule a vote when Yens is present. [Michael Catanzaro] Schedule Flatpak Discussion: Schedule the topic enabling a subset of Flatpak by default for next weeks meeting. [Someone in Lowell-McIntosh-6n430] Write Magazine Article: Look into writing the Fedora 44 magazine article. Aim for completion by the end of this week. [Someone in Lowell-McIntosh-6n430] Review BootC: Review the bootc technology for desktop integration purposes. [Michael Catanzaro] Ping Allen: Remind Allen to provide the necessary design for GNOME Software source prioritization.

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April 28, 2026 Workstation Working Group Meeting
by Michael Catanzaro 21 Apr '26

21 Apr '26

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday, April 28 at 10:00 AM EDT (14:00 UTC). This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Join link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Tentative Agenda #topic Replace gnome-keyring-daemon with oo7-daemon #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/506 #topic Automatically update appstream-data #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/507 #topic Remove remnants of ABRT #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/503 #topic Enable a subset of Flathub by default #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/492 Chair: Michael Secretary: Allan

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April 21, 2026 Workstation Working Group Meeting
by Michael Catanzaro 20 Apr '26

20 Apr '26

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday, April 21 at 10:00 AM EDT (14:00 UTC). This meeting is open to the public. Feel free to join. Join link: https://meet.google.com/jod-dkmw-ibd Tentative Agenda #topic Appoint chair for F45 release cycle, or establish a rotation #topic Filter the Fedora Flatpak repo #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/463 #topic Remove remnants of ABRT #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/503 #topic Replace gnome-keyring-daemon with oo7-daemon #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/506 #topic Automatically update appstream-data #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/507 #topic Announcements and status updates

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2026-04-20 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 44 Blocker Review Meeting
by Adam Williamson 19 Apr '26

19 Apr '26

# F44 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2026-04-20 # Time: 16:00 UTC # Location: https://matrix.to/#/#blocker-review:fedoraproject.org?web-instance[element.… Hi folks! It's time for a Fedora 44 blocker review meeting! We have 4 proposed blockers and 3 proposed freeze exception for Final. Here is a handy link which should show you the meeting time in your local time: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Fedora+43+Blocker… The meeting will be on Matrix. Click the link above to join in a web client - you can authenticate with your FAS account - or use a dedicated client of your choosing. If you have time today, you can take a look at the proposed or accepted blockers before the meeting - the full lists can be found here: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ . Remember, you can also now vote on bugs outside of review meetings! If you look at the bug list in the blockerbugs app, you'll see links labeled "Vote!" next to all proposed blockers and freeze exceptions. Those links take you to tickets where you can vote. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review has instructions on how exactly you do it. We usually go through the tickets shortly before the meeting and apply any clear votes, so the meeting will just cover bugs where there wasn't a clear outcome in the ticket voting yet. **THIS MEANS IF YOU VOTE NOW, THE MEETING WILL BE SHORTER!** We'll be evaluating these bugs to see if they violate any of the Release Criteria and warrant the blocking of a release if they're not fixed. Information on the release criteria for F44 can be found on the wiki [0]. For more information about the Blocker and Freeze exception process, check out these links: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process And for those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting Have a good day and see you tomorrow! [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson (he/him/his) Fedora QA Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @adamw@fosstodon.org https://www.happyassassin.net

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