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Re: X server/KDE/Gnome problems
by jpgrdnr＠softhome.net 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

Nils: > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:23:49 -0500 > From: michael fivis <michaelfivis(a)verizon.net> > Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3 > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: <406F0135.5060109(a)verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Isn't that good if they perform differently? Yup, it a good thing down the road...but as of now different drivers don't really help out a whole lot. I'm going to try a full reinstall and see if that works. And if it doesn't then there's some sort of configuration failure on Redhat's part. I'll just have to wait until my hardware is supported. Jon

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Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3
by jpgrdnr＠softhome.net 03 Apr '04

03 Apr '04

fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com writes: > Send Fedora-desktop-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-desktop-list-owner(a)redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-desktop-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Gnome and Kde problem (jpgrdnr(a)softhome.net) > 2. Re: Gnome and Kde problem (Nils Philippsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:48:16 -0700 > From: jpgrdnr(a)softhome.net > Subject: Gnome and Kde problem > To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > Message-ID: <courier.406DA760.00002648(a)softhome.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Unable to start gnome or kde(as of Fedora Core Test 2). I get the startup > "Fedora Core" without the icons and then a freeze (I am still able to Ctrl > Alt Bkspace to the prompt). I've looked at the logs and have problems with > the Alsa driver and the esound. I had gnome problems since RH 9. > With Fedora Core 1 I could start kde by using gdm in root and then logging > into root with the session being kde. Kde no longer works with this method. > > Would a reinstall be a good recommend as opposed to an update? > I'm running a Athlon XP1600+ /w 512 mgs ram, FX5600 (an Abit Siluro 256mb > version) > although I have gotten x to work (I dont see it being the video card) > > > Any troubleshooting suggestions would be great because I have an IBM R40 > and FC T2 rocks on it! > > Jon > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:18:40 +0200 > From: Nils Philippsen <nphilipp(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Re: Gnome and Kde problem > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> > Message-ID: <1080937119.2492.1.camel(a)gibraltar.stuttgart.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 19:48, jpgrdnr(a)softhome.net wrote: >> Unable to start gnome or kde(as of Fedora Core Test 2). I get the startup >> "Fedora Core" without the icons and then a freeze (I am still able to Ctrl >> Alt Bkspace to the prompt). I've looked at the logs and have problems with >> the Alsa driver and the esound. I had gnome problems since RH 9. >> With Fedora Core 1 I could start kde by using gdm in root and then logging >> into root with the session being kde. Kde no longer works with this method. >> >> Would a reinstall be a good recommend as opposed to an update? >> I'm running a Athlon XP1600+ /w 512 mgs ram, FX5600 (an Abit Siluro 256mb >> version) >> although I have gotten x to work (I dont see it being the video card) > > Are you by chance using the nvidia supplied binary only drivers? > > BTW, your question might be better suited for fedora-test-list. > > Nils > -- > Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp(a)redhat.com I've tried both the nv and nvidia drivers respectively and haven't noticed a changed other than in performance. Started posting to the other mailing list. I'm just wondering about some method to go about this, beyond looking at the logfiles. Jon

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Gnome and Kde problem
by jpgrdnr＠softhome.net 02 Apr '04

02 Apr '04

Unable to start gnome or kde(as of Fedora Core Test 2). I get the startup "Fedora Core" without the icons and then a freeze (I am still able to Ctrl Alt Bkspace to the prompt). I've looked at the logs and have problems with the Alsa driver and the esound. I had gnome problems since RH 9. With Fedora Core 1 I could start kde by using gdm in root and then logging into root with the session being kde. Kde no longer works with this method. Would a reinstall be a good recommend as opposed to an update? I'm running a Athlon XP1600+ /w 512 mgs ram, FX5600 (an Abit Siluro 256mb version) although I have gotten x to work (I dont see it being the video card) Any troubleshooting suggestions would be great because I have an IBM R40 and FC T2 rocks on it! Jon

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Mozilla Usability in FC2t2
by Benjamin Thompson 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

Hello everyone, I don't know if anyone else is having this issue, I don't know if it's a bug that I could/should report on bugzilla, and nobody on #fedora ever responds. My question is this: is it normal for Mozilla to appear to have completely locked up for periods of time in excess of 45 seconds when navigating to a new page? This happens to me very consistently and I'm wondering if this has been happening to anyone else. It makes my browsing an exceedingly slow and arduous process. Mozilla-Mail also freezes when the browser does this. Yet after the wait, the page is seen as loaded and the browser and mail client are functioning as normal. This presents a serious detriment to usability if Mozilla is behaving this way. A less patient person would assume Mozilla was crashing and would end up Force-Quitting their browser several times per hour. If I am unique in having this issue, I hope someone can offer suggestions on how I can fix the problem. Intel PIII 800MHz 512 PC133 SDRAM ATI Radeon 7200 Mozilla 1.6 Fully yum-updated Fedora Core 2 test2 as of this writing

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Is SELinux for curmudgeonly codgers?
by Beartooth 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

I picked up an info tidbit lately (one one of these lists, I think), to the effect that the next Fedora release will have SELinux; so, being as I am paranoid on principle in my electronic ignorance, I'm trying to read more than I can follow at http://www.nsa.gov/selinux -- especially since I liked what I saw of Fedora, and would probably still be using it if it had had a line in the GUI display config for my new flat panel monitor (as, I hope & trust, it's apt to ere long). Given that I live behind a hardware router as well as RedHat's medium level of security -- and normally turn the cable modem off at night, as well as shutting everything down when out of town, and updating every few days when in town, or at once on receipt of any security notice from RedHat -- does SELinux look like being more of a boon or a hassle? If not, I should be looking at caosity and mandrake, to have an alternative when I cease to be safe (or able at all!) to run RH9 ... -- Beartooth Autodidact <id est karhunhammas (at) lserv dot com> antiquated sclerotic sub-technoid, trying to learn linux Keep in mind that I know little of what I'm talking about.

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Start contributing
by Pelle Beckman 29 Mar '04

29 Mar '04

Hi all, I've been following the Fedora Project for some months now and feel I could contribute with some help in graphics design/illustration/etc. Where do I start? I've made some changes to the startup-screen ("rhgb" - right?)that I would like to see - should I post them somewhere to get opinions? And more importantly, what needs to be done? regards, Pelle B. hejpelle(a)telia.com

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beginnings of a Firefox theme
by Garrett LeSage 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

Hi all, I've sync'd my Fedora artwork to the usual place on people.redhat.com, and I have included the large and small templates for the firebird toolbar icon sheets. They're located (along with the new OOo icons, fwiw) at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/artwork/Fedora/fedoracore2/icons/ I began to make a Firefox theme based off of these sheets; you can see PNG versions here: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/artwork/firefox/ There's more that needs to be done, but it's a start. Let me know if any of you are interested in helping make a complete, official Firefox Bluecurve theme. Garrett

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OOo icon update
by Garrett LeSage 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

I've updated the OOo icons work-in-progress. You can see what's currently done (minus the set I'm working on at the moment) at: http://people.redhat.com/glesage/ooo_icons/ Garrett

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Re: Paring Down the Screensavers - RFC
by Rick Ace 17 Mar '04

17 Mar '04

> Next, the "Kill" list - these ones seemed unprofessional or just plain > wacky enough to drop alltogether: > > bsod > braid > pedal > bouncingcow Hi all and thanks to Red Hat for keeping the dialogue open with its customers. I am a happy customer of Enterprise WS. If I may argue for keeping 'bouncingcow': I am a 49-year-old guy who has made a career in software engineering. I've worked for some big names (Pixar and DEC to name two), and feel confident that I am qualified to offer an expert opinion on what is professional in our industry. With due respect to Steven Garrity, and without claiming that my opinion carries anymore weight than his or that of any other expert, I judge the bouncing cow to be professional. Now regarding 'wacky': I share the characterization that the bouncing cow is wacky. However, I don't agree that said characterization is per se grounds for dropping a screensaver. Without opening a debate on 'good wacky' versus 'bad wacky', I will say only that when others have walked by my computer and took note of the cow bouncing away on the monitor, they have without exception shown appreciation for it. My simple point here is that the cow is well liked out here in this corner of customerland :-) And for the final prong of my argument, I offer a resounding "me too!" in response to Ethan Zimmerman's posting: Nooo! Don't take away my bouncing cow! Thank you, and moooo Rick Ace

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PyGtk2 Usage
by Sigmascape1＠cs.com 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

Hi, Over time will PyGtk2 to develop the user interface or will some other tool(s) be used? Some of the Fedora artwork I have seen has been pretty cool. Thanks!!! Mitch Featherston

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