On Wed, Sep 2, 2015, 7:49 AM Christian Schaller <cschalle@redhat.com> wrote:
Well it is important to note that these usability studies where done by the
GNOME community itself through the Outreachy program, with the explicit goal
of being able to optimize the UI design.

And from what I can tell having lurked in #gnome-design on Gimpnet they
discuss the design decisions all the time, and continually try to refine
the user interface.

That said I am all in favour of people getting involved and pushing new designs
and code on behalf of Fedora, but I don't think we are at a place where we can
seriously considering doing a major fork of anything here.

Christian



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> From: "Liam" <liam.bulkley@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: Let's reconsider some more applications installed by default
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> I'd also like to point to some evidence that the app menu, and gnome menus in
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> I understand gnome design won't discuss design decisions but we're not gnome
> and subjecting our users to every aspect of a largely untested hig seems a
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Hi Christian,

I'm not suggesting a major fork. I'm putting forward concerns about usability issues with GNOME and how they might affect the Fedora Workstation product.
At this time I'm suggesting we not go forward with any further HIG compliance work on non-GNOME apps. I'd also suggest that we make a change to the Workstation prd to remove the mention of the need, at this time, to apply the GNOME HIG.
Eventually I'd like to see if any of Fedora's ux experts would be interested in performing user testing for our intended user base and releasing the results so we can see if GNOME is lacking in any areas and what we can do about it. If anything egregious does pop-up we should make every effort to encourage fixes to be made upstream.

Best/Liam