On Sat, 2016-03-12 at 11:10 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
I have added Logs in Fedora just now, as I expect that will be
uncontroversial and I don't see any value in diverging from upstream
Bijiben is just not very good yet, and it's not under active
development. There's no good reason for us to diverge from upstream
here, and I expect it will be uncontroversial, so I've dropped it.
I agree with these two changes.
I guess Evolution might be controversial; I use it religiously, and
many of you probably do too. But the user interface is complex and
confusing; users should not be exposed to this by default, barring
drastic UI changes that are outside the scope of the Evolution
Evolution is a great mail client for power users, but I'm confident
that the average user will be better off with webmail services; folks
who want a desktop client can simply install one, after all. We
to replace it with GNOME Mail eventually, but nobody has started
developing it yet. I propose we drop Evolution, but I have not done
yet, pending further discussion.
I don't see any viable alternative. I think this may have to go in the
same bucket as firefox.
Boxes has too many serious bugs right now, so it cannot go into
core yet, but we intend it to eventually. Since this is a significant
application, I have not yet removed it from our default install,
pending further discussion. My main concern is that it would look odd
for us to remove such a significant app from the default install,
bring it back in a year or two. On the other hand, users won't notice
thing unless they make a habit of reinstalling Fedora, and it's not
good to include apps we can't fully recommend. It's not clear to me
what choice is best here.
Please go into some more detail here. What are those serious bugs you
allude to ? I'm not aware of them.
I propose we make temporary exceptions to keep Shotwell and
Rhythmbox, until their intended replacements, Photos and Music, move
upstream's GNOME core moduleset. That will very likely happen for
Photos for F25. I'm less certain about Music.
I think we should make this replacement explicit goals for F25, and
come up with criteria in advance for making this decision.