On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 11:45 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> I would expect changes to /etc/sudoers or /etc/pam.d/sudo to
happen
> globally and not only on the spin. Not sure what exactly we are talking
> about but I'm sure we are not talking about changes in the livesys
> initscript that will affect the live mode only.
I ... wouldn't, necessarily. At least, if we're really going to allow
people to target different use cases, we can't be tied to the least
common denominator and still make progress.
Of course, that goes back to the purpose of spins, and what they can
and can't do.
I agree. This is a classic case where lack of use case focus hobbles the
planning. The discussion of a good system of gaining root privilege for
the desktop use case has been sniped by reference to the server use
case.
Ubuntu doesn't have this problem - and hence was perfectly happy to use
the sudo setup - because Ubuntu clearly and confidently refuse to target
the server use case in the Ubuntu product. They have the Ubuntu Server
product for the server use case (and, I assume, that doesn't use the
same OOTB setup Ubuntu uses). Hence no problem for them.
When we lack that focus, we get into these circular, tail-chasing
discussions. As Jon McCann said in his reply, the current spin situation
just gives us the worst of both worlds - the appearance of
differentiated products, but with problems in really differentiating
them in ways we really ought to, because we insist on lots of
'consistency' between the spins.
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