----- Original Message ----- > > On 02/07/2018 09:07 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > Note that I think the current default background is really nice, it's just > > not appropriate I don't think. > > > I don't think critiquing Fedora's art direction is the right conversation to > be having here. It's not the core issue. It might not be, but we're talking about making Fedora "warmer" and about how the background stamp/watermark isn't the best solution to adding branding to the background. I think it's a conversation to have, even as it's relevant to the bigger picture. > The conversation that I think would be more productive and is more at the > root of the conflict here is understanding how we balance the very important > principle of 'upstream first' with the also very important principle of > differentiation. I think the disagreement being expressed in this thread is > at what level should the differentiation be taking place. Should the > differentiation be taking place upstream at the GNOME level, or should it be > taking place downstream at the distro level? The dichotomy isn't that one, it's about what Fedora, or other distros, wants or needs to be able to implement that differentiation, and whether it's something that upstream thinks is a good idea, and therefore makes it easier for downstreams to differentiate. For example, we went back and forth over the years as to whether the Details panel in the Settings should reflect the GNOME version and logo, or the distribution one. The WIP changes make it straight forward to brand that part of the system, and will mean less work for downstream to adapt to their needs.> Bottom line: I that you disagree with Fedora's art direction, but if it was > perfectly to your taste, this problem would still be unresolved. I thought I made that clear. It's to my taste, just not as a default background that gives me warm feelings of belonging. Which is what we were discussing in the thread.