Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 09:15 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
  
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 10:25 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
    
Am Freitag, den 06.02.2009, 14:01 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
      
Hey,

I have just build a redhat-menus package that gets rid of the Submenus
in Preferences. We kinda inherited them from the control-center shell,
which never really took off, and they didn't really work well, since the
categorization left people guessing which submenu to open. 
        
I don't thing that's a good argument, because you get used to the
submenus quickly. I really liked them. We worked hard to get everything
right, filed bugs against packages that were not inside of the submenus,
and now we throw all this away?
      
Well, if you got used to submenus quickly, you will probably also get
used to no submenus quickly...
    

How about the space argument then? How do you want to get rid of 10 menu
entries (that's more than a third)?

  
On a less flippant note, somebody is already working on a package to add
submenus in a separate package, like the games-menus (?) package does to
the games menu.
    

Yes, that's Rudolf Kastl and me, and it's a sisyphean task, because most
packages don't use subcategories correctly. The only desktop files that
were using it were the ones in the prefs menu, but nobody will notice it
any longer. :(

Regards,
Christoph

  
I appreciate all of the thought and work that you are doing on this project.  I have a thought though, wouldn't doing away with the submenus create a level of "clutter" that would detract from the "presentation" of the desktop.  The use of submenus reduces the clutter and the primary menu levels add a degree of categorization to the submenus by collecting them within specific categories.  Perhaps it a better way to present things would be to provide the ability to "edit" the menus to allow users to bring to the primary level the submenus that they use on a regular basis for their own customization. 

Thank you,
Roy Bynum