Attendees
- Allan
- Chris
- Jens
- Lee Thomas
- Michael
- Nieves
- Tomas Summary
Meeting discussions addressed Fedora package management, Bugzilla workflow improvements and GNOME desktop configuration standards.
Package Management and Thumbnailers The team decided to implement a "Provides" entry for GStreamer thumbnailers to replace the outdated Totem-video-thumbnailer package. This ensures system cleanliness and proper package updates.
Bugzilla Workflow and Assignees Participants agreed to adopt Bugzilla templates for upstream reporting while retaining autoresponders for component shifts. They resolved to proceed with default assignee plans if approvals remain pending.
Installation and Software Maintenance The group prioritized streamlining initial setup for language and keyboard layouts while agreeing to downgrade Shotwell due to unstable upstream releases. Next steps
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[Tomáš Popela] Create Meeting: Create a new meeting event using a new meeting ID. Update the meeting invitation and agenda with the new link. - [image: unchecked]
[Tomáš Popela] Send Announcement: Send an announcement email regarding the new meeting details to the Fedora desktop list. - [image: unchecked]
[Tomáš Popela] Redirect Attendees: Join the old meeting during its first occurrence. Move attending people to the newly created meeting. - [image: unchecked]
[Michael Catanzaro] Coordinate Bugzilla: Talk to Brendan about Bugzilla rule maintenance and necessary changes. Sort out permissions needed for managing the autoresponder rule. - [image: unchecked]
[Tomáš Popela] Check Web UI: Ask Alexandra for web UI documentation. Verify if the web UI honors initial setup settings, like the previous installer did.
Details #topic totem-video-thumbnailer not removed on upgrade to Fedora 44 #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/513
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Resolution of Gemini Meeting ID Conflict: The current "Gemini" meeting event requires creating a new meeting with a new ID and link to resolve the conflict. Tomáš Popela plans to send an announcement email to the Fedora desktop list later this week and will update the link in the agenda and meeting invitation. They will also join the old meeting for the first occurrence of the new one to redirect attendees. -
Totem Video Thumbnailer Upgrade Issue: The meeting discussed an issue regarding the `totem-video-thumbnailer` package not being removed during the upgrade to Fedora 44, despite the plan to replace it with `GST thumbnailers`. The retention of the older package might cause confusion, and a bug report has been opened about this issue. Michael Catanzaro suggested a "foolproof solution" would be to have `Gstream thumbnailers` provide the `totem-video-thumbnailer` package, even though this is not technically accurate. -
Functionality of Thumbnailers and Orphaned Packages: The functional difference between the GStreamer and Totem thumbnailers is that they produce thumbnails at slightly different points in the video, often off by a second or two. The GStreamer version is preferred because it is what upstream uses, and Totem is basically unmaintained. Additionally, the topic of orphaning packages was raised, noting that `Glo` and `Glo plugins` will be orphaned soon, which will impact packages like `Rhythmbox-glo-music` and `totem`, due to the maintainer's inactive email address. -
Proposed Solution for Thumbnailer Conflict: Since the GStreamer thumbnailer is the desired default and users are unlikely to notice a change in functionality, the only viable solution identified is to implement a `provides` entry, which would require synchronization with the `totem-thumbnailer` package. This approach is intended to ensure system cleanliness and ensure users receive the GStreamer package.
*#topic Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/131 https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/131 #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/475 https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/475 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2467742 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2467742*
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Bugzilla Autoresponder and Template Discussion: The group discussed the request from Fesco to update the text of the autoresponder rule concerning non-GNOME packages being in "bad shape," which has already been altered. Fesco suggested exploring the idea of using a Bugzilla template to prompt users to report issues in the upstream tracker instead of downstream. The current concern is that the autoresponder might still be necessary for issues moved between components, as the template is only presented when a bug is initially created. -
Maintenance of Bugzilla Rules and Templates: Maintaining both the Bugzilla rule and the templates requires permissions within the Fedora PM Bugzilla group, which neither Tomáš Popela nor Michael Catanzaro currently possess. Michael Catanzaro noted the importance of discouraging users from reporting issues in the wrong place initially, and keeping the autoresponder for issues moved between components. Michael Catanzaro intends to talk to Brendan Konoboy to sort out the rule and template maintenance. -
Default Bug Assignees and Process: Michael Catanzaro stated that if a human is not reading bug reports, the assignee should be the SIG, and they want to finish the plan to set default assignees. The current process involves pinging people for approval, but Michael Catanzaro suggested they could proceed faster by making the change if people do not respond. -
Future of Bugzilla and Fedora: Tomáš Popela mentioned that there appears to be confusion regarding the future of Bugzilla and Fedora, noting that a project about its future was moved to another person, and they are awaiting a new contact for an update. The group agreed to implement the template, keep the autoresponder for moved issues, and be more aggressive about finishing the default assignee plan.
*#topic gnome-initial-setup, language and keyboard layout choice #link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/512 https://forge.fedoraproject.org/workstation/tickets/issues/512*
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GNOME Initial Setup Language and Keyboard Layout Choice: The discussion addressed an issue raised in Silverblue regarding duplication in the initial setup for language and keyboard layout, leading to an idea about supporting OEM installations. Allan Day noted that the issue applies to a broader set of use cases beyond just OEM installs, such as a family member or support department installing the OS for a user. -
Actionable Steps for Initial Setup Issue: Michael Catanzaro indicated they need to discuss the issue with the Anaconda developers to ensure agreement between GNOME initial setup and Anaconda, particularly for skipping language and keyboard layout in Anaconda. Tomáš Popela committed to checking with Alexandra to confirm whether the web UI honors the same configuration settings as the old UI for skipping steps. The consensus was that installing the system in one language (e.g., English) and allowing the end user to pick their language later is a valid use case. -
Shotwell Downgrade Proposal: Michael Catanzaro proposed downgrading Shotwell, adding an epoch that will last forever, and possibly orphaning the package due to issues with version 0.33 alpha being broken. Upstream maintainers have also requested the downgrade to the stable version. Tomáš Popela agreed with the idea of potentially removing the package from the GNOME SIG package set because the upstream maintainer is not following standard release conventions, which could cause recurring maintenance issues.
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Nieves Montero Fernandez