Filing Issues / Feature requests for Workstation

[Ryan Lerch]

After reading the discussion on this recent post on the Fedora Magazine:
https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-workstation-get-features-want-now/  I
began to wonder if it was worth discussing if there is a better way to
gather and discuss bugs / RFEs for Workstation as a whole. Currently, the
two ways for doing this is this mailing list, and bugzilla.

The mailing list is great for discussions, but once a discussion is opened,
and completed, it is kind of difficult to track after the fact. Bugzilla is
great for tracking issues / RFEs for specific packages, but unless a user
knows exactly what package an improvement or bug applies to, it has the
potential to kind of get lost as well.

Would it be worth consider using a pagure ticket queue to gather and
discuss some of these items, and some of the initiatives that we want to
work on for Workstation?

cheers,
ryanlerch

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Ryan Lerch <rlerch(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  After reading the discussion on this recent post on the Fedora 
>  Magazine: 
>  https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-workstation-get-features-want-now/  
>  I began to wonder if it was worth discussing if there is a better way 
>  to gather and discuss bugs / RFEs for Workstation as a whole. 
>  Currently, the two ways for doing this is this mailing list, and 
>  bugzilla.
>  
>  The mailing list is great for discussions, but once a discussion is 
>  opened, and completed, it is kind of difficult to track after the 
>  fact. Bugzilla is great for tracking issues / RFEs for specific 
>  packages, but unless a user knows exactly what package an improvement 
>  or bug applies to, it has the potential to kind of get lost as well.
>  
>  Would it be worth consider using a pagure ticket queue to gather and 
>  discuss some of these items, and some of the initiatives that we want 
>  to work on for Workstation? 
We actually already have one, we're just not using it:

https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues

Michael

[Ryan Lerch]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Ryan Lerch <rlerch(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  After reading the discussion on this recent post on the Fedora
> Magazine:
>  https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-workstation-get-features-want-now/  I
>  began to wonder if it was worth discussing if there is a better way to
>  gather and discuss bugs / RFEs for Workstation as a whole. Currently, the
>  two ways for doing this is this mailing list, and bugzilla.
>
>  The mailing list is great for discussions, but once a discussion is
>  opened, and completed, it is kind of difficult to track after the fact.
>  Bugzilla is great for tracking issues / RFEs for specific packages, but
>  unless a user knows exactly what package an improvement or bug applies to,
>  it has the potential to kind of get lost as well.
>
>  Would it be worth consider using a pagure ticket queue to gather and
>  discuss some of these items, and some of the initiatives that we want to
>  work on for Workstation?
>  
Forgot to mention too that there is this pagure ticket queue, but at the
moment, it is quite low traffic, and we don't promote it in anyway for our
users to file issues.

https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation

--ryanlerch


>  cheers,
>  ryanlerch
>
>
>

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

Well, wherever it is and whatever you want to call it, I have only one
"feature request" for Workstation - build and document Atomic Workstation
;-)

Seriously, though, now that Debian / Ubuntu have joined the choruses
(GNOME, Wayland, systemd, flatpak, etc.) I'm thinking what we need on a
"Linux desktop" is *fewer* features, not more! I'd like to forget that on
one VM I type "dnf install", another I type "apt install" and a third
I
type "zypper install". How about a "Grand Unified GNOME Workstation"
that's
the same regardless of the lower-level layers?

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM Ryan Lerch <rlerch(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Ryan Lerch <rlerch(a)redhat.com&gt;
> wrote:
>
> > After reading the discussion on this recent post on the Fedora Magazine:
> > https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-workstation-get-features-want-now/  I
> > began to wonder if it was worth discussing if there is a better way to
> > gather and discuss bugs / RFEs for Workstation as a whole. Currently, the
> > two ways for doing this is this mailing list, and bugzilla.
> >
> > The mailing list is great for discussions, but once a discussion is
> > opened, and completed, it is kind of difficult to track after the fact.
> > Bugzilla is great for tracking issues / RFEs for specific packages, but
> > unless a user knows exactly what package an improvement or bug applies to,
> > it has the potential to kind of get lost as well.
> >
> > Would it be worth consider using a pagure ticket queue to gather and
> > discuss some of these items, and some of the initiatives that we want to
> > work on for Workstation?
> >
>
>  Forgot to mention too that there is this pagure ticket queue, but at the
>  moment, it is quite low traffic, and we don't promote it in anyway for our
>  users to file issues.
>
>  https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation
>
>  --ryanlerch
>
>
> >
> > cheers,
> > ryanlerch
> >
> >
> >
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[Stephen Gallagher]

On 04/20/2017 09:53 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>  Well, wherever it is and whatever you want to call it, I have only
> one
>  "feature request" for Workstation - build and document Atomic
>  Workstation ;-)
>
>  Seriously, though, now that Debian / Ubuntu have joined the choruses
>  (GNOME, Wayland, systemd, flatpak, etc.) I'm thinking what we need on
>  a "Linux desktop" is *fewer* features, not more! I'd like to forget
>  that on one VM I type "dnf install", another I type "apt install"
> and
>  a third I type "zypper install". How about a "Grand Unified GNOME
>  Workstation" that's the same regardless of the lower-level layers?
>  

You mean `pkcon install <package>` which will use the appropriate tool
under the hood? Just like it does today?

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:31 AM Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com&gt;
wrote:

>  On 04/20/2017 09:53 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
>  > Well, wherever it is and whatever you want to call it, I have only one
>  > "feature request" for Workstation - build and document Atomic
>  > Workstation ;-)
>  >
>  > Seriously, though, now that Debian / Ubuntu have joined the choruses
>  > (GNOME, Wayland, systemd, flatpak, etc.) I'm thinking what we need on
>  > a "Linux desktop" is *fewer* features, not more! I'd like to forget
>  > that on one VM I type "dnf install", another I type "apt
> install" and
>  > a third I type "zypper install". How about a "Grand Unified GNOME
>  > Workstation" that's the same regardless of the lower-level layers?
>  >
>
>
>  You mean `pkcon install <package>` which will use the appropriate tool
>  under the hood? Just like it does today?
>  
I haven't heard of `pkcon` ... I've been using the native command-line
tools because that's what I see everyone else doing. ;-)

Really, though, I think the concept of Atomic Workstation - an OS plus
container hosting plus flatpak hosting - is close to ideal for my
workstation. I do also run quite a few Virtual Machine Manager full VMs
still but I think that'll be dropping away as containers and flatpak apps
start to get built.

TBH I also like the ChromeBook / FirefoxOS concept - a familiar browser as
the desktop rather than a "traditional" Linux window manager / desktop. I'd
buy a ChromeBook with 16 GB of RAM, an NVidia GPU, a 512 GB SSD and a Core
i7 ;-).

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