Summary Release updates and Flatpak strategies via discussions on blockers and metadata.
Fedora Release Status Discussion on Fedora release blocking and offline update issues.
Flathub Strategy and Outreach Exploration of Flatpak pre installation and diplomatic outreach plans.
Decisions Aligned Strategy for FlatHub engagement defined The group decided to postpone the FlatHub discussion until Matthias completes fact-finding regarding available metadata, at which point the group will reconvene and potentially reinvite Jeff.
Next steps [Allan Day] Ping blockers: Notify internal teams about the time sensitive release blocker for the Fedora 45 and 51 release candidate. Ensure stakeholders are aware of the current situation. [Allan Day] Update talking points: Include a link to the release notes in the Fedora 45 talking points tracking issue. Provide relevant documentation for the upcoming release. [Allan Day] Find article author: Search for a volunteer to write an article about the latest Fedora release. Utilize Matrix channels to identify interested authors. [Matthias Clasen] Investigate flatpack pre-installation: Investigate the current status of flatpack pre-installation support. Identify all missing requirements needed for implementation. [Matthias Clasen] Contact FlatHub developers: Initiate communication with FlatHub developers to discuss metadata availability. Assess the feasibility of collaborating on metadata standards. [Allan Day] Review Bazar app: Review the Bazar application regarding potential improvements for the Standard Technology Fund funded work. Examine the app for better usability and integration. [Matthias Clasen] Publish meeting notes: Compile and publish the notes for this meeting once the transcript email is received. Distribute the summary to the relevant team members.
Details Opening and Meeting Status: Allan Day opened the meeting and checked on attendance, noting that the group was smaller than usual. Jiri Prajzner inquired about the installation of the web project featuring integrated speech-to-text, noting that they were unable to find installable packages within the latest daily Ubuntu ISO (00:00:37). Fedora 45 Release - 51 Release Candidate Status: Allan Day and the group discussed the current status of the Fedora 45 release, focusing on the blocking of the 51 Release Candidate (RC) for the beta. Matthias Clasen and Michael Catanzaro noted that while a freeze exception was accepted for 51 RC, it currently breaks open QA tests due to a Mutter bug (00:03:50). Matthias Clasen reported that Adam Williamson has been bisecting the issue, and the team is currently waiting for the relevant packages to be packaged before proceeding (00:05:20). Allan Day plans to internally ping relevant stakeholders to emphasize the time-sensitive nature of these issues (00:06:52). Fedora 44 Offline Update Issues: Michael Catanzaro reported that users have complained about broken offline updates in Fedora 44 when attempting to shut down the Gnome shell, an issue attributed to the recent transition from PackageKit to using DNF directly. Michael Catanzaro noted that developers, including Milan, are aware of the issue, and while the team acknowledged the inconvenience of this being the second occurrence this year, no direct action is required from the group at this time (00:08:34). Gnome 50 Release Planning and Marketing: Matthias Clasen noted that the Gnome 50 release is expected by the 16th. Allan Day mentioned having reviewed the release notes, describing them as positive with many small improvements, and suggested that marketing material could be developed based on these notes (00:10:02). The group discussed the need for an author to write about the release, as past protocols involving Fedora Magazine contributors are currently inactive (00:11:45). Matthias Clasen and Allan Day considered potential ways to identify new features, including utilizing AI to research kernel and systemd changes, though they acknowledged the need to verify any information generated (00:13:17). Allan Day committed to researching the release highlights and asking for a volunteer to write the article (00:15:15). Flathub Strategy and Pre-installation: The group continued the previous week's discussion regarding Flathub, emphasizing the need to find a sustainable path forward that aligns with the Fedora community's expectations (00:19:27) (00:25:30). Michael Catanzaro noted there is an existing, unapproved ticket regarding the pre-installation of Flatpaks, though they expressed skepticism about the project's current priority within Red Hat (00:21:12). Matthias Clasen offered to investigate the status of the technical building blocks required for pre-installation, as some work in this area by Sebastian has already been initiated (00:22:56). Michael Catanzaro outlined three tracks for the Flatpak strategy: curtailing Fedora Flatpaks, enabling Flathub, and pre-installing core Flatpak applications (00:24:15). Flathub Outreach and Metadata: Regarding the goal of modifying Flathub, Matthias Clasen, Allan Day, and Michael Catanzaro agreed that the approach should be diplomatic, positioning the discussion as a collaboration to make Flathub more successful rather than issuing demands (00:27:14) (00:29:53). Matthias Clasen committed to performing fact-finding on currently available Flathub metadata to inform these discussions (00:31:06). Jiri Prajzner confirmed that the Flatpak command currently queries remotes and suggested that extending this search functionality could address metadata requirements, such as licenses and application types (00:32:30). The group plans to reconvene in a few weeks to discuss the outreach progress and potentially re-invite Jef to the conversation (00:31:06). Future UX Work: Matthias Clasen acknowledged that there are various smaller and larger UX annoyances regarding the interaction with Flathub, such as end-of-life questions and renaming application IDs (00:33:53). Allan Day noted that upcoming work funded by the STF is expected to address some of these scrutiny and review aspects, and they intend to review the application and progress during future meetings (00:35:58).
On Wed, Sep 9, 2026 at 6:04 PM Matthias Clasen via desktop < desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Details Opening and Meeting Status: Allan Day opened the meeting and checked on attendance, noting that the group was smaller than usual. Jiri Prajzner inquired about the installation of the web project featuring integrated speech-to-text, noting that they were unable to find installable packages within the latest daily Ubuntu ISO (00:00:37). Fedora 45 Release - 51 Release Candidate Status: Allan Day and the group discussed the current status of the Fedora 45 release, focusing on the blocking of the 51 Release Candidate (RC) for the beta. Matthias Clasen and Michael Catanzaro noted that while a freeze exception was accepted for 51 RC, it currently breaks open QA tests due to a Mutter bug (00:03:50). Matthias Clasen reported that Adam Williamson has been bisecting the issue, and the team is currently waiting for the relevant packages to be packaged before proceeding (00:05:20). Allan Day plans to internally ping relevant stakeholders to emphasize the time-sensitive nature of these issues (00:06:52). Fedora 44 Offline Update Issues: Michael Catanzaro reported that users have complained about broken offline updates in Fedora 44 when attempting to shut down the Gnome shell, an issue attributed to the recent transition from PackageKit to using DNF directly. Michael Catanzaro noted that developers, including Milan, are aware of the issue, and while the team acknowledged the inconvenience of this being the second occurrence this year, no direct action is required from the group at this time (00:08:34). Gnome 50 Release Planning and Marketing: Matthias Clasen noted that the Gnome 50 release is expected by the 16th. Allan Day mentioned having reviewed the release notes, describing them as positive with many small improvements, and suggested that marketing material could be developed based on these notes (00:10:02). The group discussed the need for an author to write about the release, as past protocols involving Fedora Magazine contributors are currently inactive (00:11:45). Matthias Clasen and Allan Day considered potential ways to identify new features, including utilizing AI to research kernel and systemd changes, though they acknowledged the need to verify any information generated (00:13:17). Allan Day committed to researching the release highlights and asking for a volunteer to write the article (00:15:15). Flathub Strategy and Pre-installation: The group continued the previous week's discussion regarding Flathub, emphasizing the need to find a sustainable path forward that aligns with the Fedora community's expectations (00:19:27) (00:25:30). Michael Catanzaro noted there is an existing, unapproved ticket regarding the pre-installation of Flatpaks, though they expressed skepticism about the project's current priority within Red Hat (00:21:12). Matthias Clasen offered to investigate the status of the technical building blocks required for pre-installation, as some work in this area by Sebastian has already been initiated (00:22:56). Michael Catanzaro outlined three tracks for the Flatpak strategy: curtailing Fedora Flatpaks, enabling Flathub, and pre-installing core Flatpak applications (00:24:15). Flathub Outreach and Metadata: Regarding the goal of modifying Flathub, Matthias Clasen, Allan Day, and Michael Catanzaro agreed that the approach should be diplomatic, positioning the discussion as a collaboration to make Flathub more successful rather than issuing demands (00:27:14) (00:29:53). Matthias Clasen committed to performing fact-finding on currently available Flathub metadata to inform these discussions (00:31:06). Jiri Prajzner confirmed that the Flatpak command currently queries remotes and suggested that extending this search functionality could address metadata requirements, such as licenses and application types (00:32:30). The group plans to reconvene in a few weeks to discuss the outreach progress and potentially re-invite Jef to the conversation (00:31:06). Future UX Work: Matthias Clasen acknowledged that there are various smaller and larger UX annoyances regarding the interaction with Flathub, such as end-of-life questions and renaming application IDs (00:33:53). Allan Day noted that upcoming work funded by the STF is expected to address some of these scrutiny and review aspects, and they intend to review the application and progress during future meetings (00:35:58).
This format is difficult to read. Let's at least add empty lines between individual points? Or make each point title bold?
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