A sound or music when your desktop is starting?

[Damien Durand]

Hi all,

What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde desktop is
starting? It's just an idea :-)

Regards,

Damien Durand

[David Nielsen]

tor, 17 08 2006 kl. 23:19 +0200, skrev Damien Durand:
>  Hi all,
>  
>  What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde
>  desktop is starting? It's just an idea :-) 
Not by default at least, it would add to startup time and general
annoyance - it's hard to find sounds that please everyone if not
impossible. Now I'm all for say collecting a package of nice sutle
sounds that the user can install for some audio feedback but I don't see
the case for enabling it by default. 

In my experience most users who want this will add soundclips from the
internet of say their favorite cartoon or something like that. I doubt
we'll gain much by forcing a default "bling sound" on everyone. 

- David

[Rahul Sundaram]

David Nielsen wrote:
>  tor, 17 08 2006 kl. 23:19 +0200, skrev Damien Durand:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde
> > desktop is starting? It's just an idea :-)
>  
>  Not by default at least, it would add to startup time and general
>  annoyance - it's hard to find sounds that please everyone if not
>  impossible.  
The same can be said about artwork for example. That by itself isnt a 
good argument.

Now I'm all for say collecting a package of nice sutle
>  sounds that the user can install for some audio feedback but I
> don't see
>  the case for enabling it by default. 
>  
>  In my experience most users who want this will add soundclips from the
>  internet of say their favorite cartoon or something like that. I doubt
>  we'll gain much by forcing a default "bling sound" on everyone. 
>  
We would only "force" sounds as much as we force a wallpaper or a window 
manager theme on everyone. Without good (defined as not being too long, 
jazzy etc) default sounds this particular functionality wouldnt even be 
realized by the user.

I for one wouldnt mind seeing a few different sound themes available in 
Fedora Core with one of them enabled by default.

Rahul

[David Nielsen]

fre, 18 08 2006 kl. 03:16 +0530, skrev Rahul:
>  David Nielsen wrote:
>  > tor, 17 08 2006 kl. 23:19 +0200, skrev Damien Durand:
>  >> Hi all,
>  >>
>  >> What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde
>  >> desktop is starting? It's just an idea :-)
>  > 
>  > Not by default at least, it would add to startup time and general
>  > annoyance - it's hard to find sounds that please everyone if not
>  > impossible. 
>  
>  The same can be said about artwork for example. That by itself isnt a 
>  good argument.
>  
>  Now I'm all for say collecting a package of nice sutle
>  > sounds that the user can install for some audio feedback but I don't see
>  > the case for enabling it by default. 
>  > 
>  > In my experience most users who want this will add soundclips from the
>  > internet of say their favorite cartoon or something like that. I doubt
>  > we'll gain much by forcing a default "bling sound" on everyone. 
>  >
>  
>  We would only "force" sounds as much as we force a wallpaper or a window 
>  manager theme on everyone. Without good (defined as not being too long, 
>  jazzy etc) default sounds this particular functionality wouldnt even be 
>  realized by the user.
>  
>  I for one wouldnt mind seeing a few different sound themes available in 
>  Fedora Core with one of them enabled by default. 
I take it you haven't been in cubical hell when someone hasn't turned
his builtin speakers off and the Windows startup sound goes off - or in
class when the same thing happens. 

Artwork doesn't generally annoy passersby, collegues or classmates,
sound can very easily.

Now I'm in no way against showing off by assembling some cool packages
of sounds that we can do it, but by default I'd prefer silence.

- David

[Marco Bertaglia]

No, definitely, no sound by default, after all Open Soft is all about
Free Choice

I don't want any reminescence of the "blue screen of Death" ;-))

Cheers
Marco

On 17/08/06, David Nielsen <david(a)lovesunix.net&gt; wrote:
>  fre, 18 08 2006 kl. 03:16 +0530, skrev Rahul:
>  > David Nielsen wrote:
>  > > tor, 17 08 2006 kl. 23:19 +0200, skrev Damien Durand:
>  > >> Hi all,
>  > >>
>  > >> What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde
>  > >> desktop is starting? It's just an idea :-)
>  > >
>  > > Not by default at least, it would add to startup time and general
>  > > annoyance - it's hard to find sounds that please everyone if not
>  > > impossible.
>  >
>  > The same can be said about artwork for example. That by itself isnt a
>  > good argument.
>  >
>  > Now I'm all for say collecting a package of nice sutle
>  > > sounds that the user can install for some audio feedback but I don't see
>  > > the case for enabling it by default.
>  > >
>  > > In my experience most users who want this will add soundclips from the
>  > > internet of say their favorite cartoon or something like that. I doubt
>  > > we'll gain much by forcing a default "bling sound" on everyone.
>  > >
>  >
>  > We would only "force" sounds as much as we force a wallpaper or a window
>  > manager theme on everyone. Without good (defined as not being too long,
>  > jazzy etc) default sounds this particular functionality wouldnt even be
>  > realized by the user.
>  >
>  > I for one wouldnt mind seeing a few different sound themes available in
>  > Fedora Core with one of them enabled by default.
>
>  I take it you haven't been in cubical hell when someone hasn't turned
>  his builtin speakers off and the Windows startup sound goes off - or in
>  class when the same thing happens.
>
>  Artwork doesn't generally annoy passersby, collegues or classmates,
>  sound can very easily.
>
>  Now I'm in no way against showing off by assembling some cool packages
>  of sounds that we can do it, but by default I'd prefer silence.
>
>  - David
>
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[Rahul Sundaram]

David Nielsen wrote:

>  
>  I take it you haven't been in cubical hell when someone hasn't turned
>  his builtin speakers off and the Windows startup sound goes off - or in
>  class when the same thing happens.  
Working on odd timings like 4 AM in the morning has the advantage that 
there is noone around to complain about sounds ;-)

>  
>  Artwork doesn't generally annoy passersby, collegues or classmates,
>  sound can very easily. 
Right, which is why I noted that the default sound set shouldnt be jazzy.

>  
>  Now I'm in no way against showing off by assembling some cool packages
>  of sounds that we can do it, but by default I'd prefer silence.
>   
The problem with just shipping sounds but not enabling them is that end 
users wouldnt stumble upon this feature easily.

[Jef Spaleta]

On 8/17/06, Rahul <sundaram(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Right, which is why I noted that the default sound set shouldnt be
> jazzy. 
-1

There is no definition of 'subtle' or 'tasteful' for automated default
sounds which is appropriate in any public setting.  An ugly wallpaper
by default is not a distraction to someone in a study area or in a
meeting.  Any default startup or desktop action sounds are an airborne
disease whose infection rate can be substantially amplified by
external, amplified speakers.   While I personally yearn for the day
where eye-candy fanatics can violate the visual senses of everyone in
a 500 foot radius as easily as someone with their wall AC powered 5.1
speaker upgrade from Dell with a volume knob that goes to 11 can
shatter my eardrums with the ever-so-soft tinkle of a desktop startup
melody... that day isn't here just yet so everyone's retinas are safe.
 Our eardrums are not... subtle tones of a not-to-jazzy nature are
still a public nuisance.  Support my ballot measure to end unnecessary
desktop noise pollution, vote yes on measure 123!

-jef"make the default desktop have a vibrate mode instead, that way
when laptops are used in the manner assumed in their naming...everyone
would prefer vibrate"spaleta

[hackmiester]

On 17 August 2006, at 16:46, Rahul wrote:


>  The same can be said about artwork for example. That by itself isnt  
>  a good argument.
>
>  We would only "force" sounds as much as we force a wallpaper or a  
>  window manager theme on everyone. 
Well, people will think something's missing if you have no wallpaper,  
and you certainly have to have a window manager theme!!

>  Without good (defined as not being too long, jazzy etc) default  
>  sounds this particular functionality wouldnt even be realized by  
>  the user. 
True.

>  I for one wouldnt mind seeing a few different sound themes  
>  available in Fedora Core with one of them enabled by default. 
Yes. I like Mac OS X' occasional subtle sounds. They are quite quiet  
(say that 15 times fast!) and unobtrusive - a crumpling paper when  
you empty the trash, a whoosh when you send mail, etc... I think  
subtle would be the way to go, so people know that the functionality  
exists, but don't deafen/scare them. :)

>  Rahul
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[David R. Wilson]

I would highly suggest a 12 gauge.  If it doesn't take care of the noise
the second shot will.

Dave

On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 23:19 +0200, Damien Durand wrote:
>  Hi all,
>  
>  What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde
>  desktop is starting? It's just an idea :-)
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Damien Durand
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[Gain Paolo Mureddu]

Damien Durand escribió:
>  Hi all,
>
>  What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde
>  desktop is starting? It's just an idea :-)
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Damien Durand 
I prefer what I currently do, add to the session startup a sound I
made with aplay, works wonderfully :D

[forms]

Damien Durand wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>  What do you think about a sound or music when your gnome ok kde 
>  desktop is starting? It's just an idea :-)
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Damien Durand
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It does in ubuntu and I like it very much. It also does it in Windows XP 
and its never been changed, so I preclude that M$ finds the decision 
appropriate.

It's not fatal if someone doesn't like it right ? ( we should learn to 
relax more )