RE: RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home

[Kyrre Ness Sjobak]

>  Message: 1
>  Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:00:30 -0700
>  From: Michael Knepher <mknepher(a)bluethingy.com&gt;
>  Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 
Ops, sorry about that
one...

>  To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
>  	<fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Message-ID: <1092412830.20259.13.camel(a)lionel-hutz.darnell.group&gt;
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>  On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 12:05 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  > > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400
>  > > From: David Malcolm <dmalcolm(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > > 
>  > > Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email
>  > > etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various
>  > > assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory.  Evolution
>  > > could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts" (as
>  > > opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but
>  > > it'd be non-trivial.
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I
>  > dont want to loose it!
>  > 
>  > Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers
>  
>  The new Evolution will import all your old mail, contacts, calendar
>  items, etc., on first startup. 
>   
How? Just copy the evo folder into my ~? What will then happen to my
evolution-folder? Just imported and then never touched again?

>  > Another point: Webbrowsing. Today FC uses moz - which has a nice
> engine
>  > etc. But Epiphany is still better integrated with Gnome (and no
>  > difference when talking HTML engine): Why not use this as the standard
>  > web-browser instead?
>  
>  Check out some of the newer builds of mozilla - there's a lot of gtk2
>  integration going in that makes it fit in the desktop better appearance-
>  wise. Here's a screenshot showing mozilla using the gtk+2.4 file
>  chooser:
>  http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings/images/mozilla_pango.png
>   
That is good. Even if i can't se the big diff. Cant read that language
anyway :)

>  
>  
>  > Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a
>  > user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is...
>  > BAD!
>  > 
>  
>  For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's
>  involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system.
>  
>  
>   
What new print system? CUPS? It is really un-user-friendly the way it is
now. Even KDE does better than that! (joke, not flamebait). But i still
cant see why we are using moz not epiphany (apart from being completely
unpronounceable, and the word also un-understandable...)?
Decision-makers: please answer (or somebody else who knows the truth)

RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home

[Michael Knepher]

On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 19:43 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  > The new Evolution will import all your old mail, contacts,
> calendar
>  > items, etc., on first startup. 
>  > 
>  How? Just copy the evo folder into my ~? What will then happen to my
>  evolution-folder? Just imported and then never touched again? 
More or less. I gather the internal layout is different in the two
directories, so it's not just a simple copy of the directory. 

>  > 
>  > > Only prob. as far as i can see, is that neither moz or epiphany has a
>  > > user-friendly way to select which printer you want to use. Whic is...
>  > > BAD!
>  > > 
>  > 
>  > For epiphany, it should be a fairly simple matter. I'm not sure what's
>  > involved with getting mozilla/firefox to use the new print system. 
>  What new print system? CUPS? It is really un-user-friendly the way it
> is
>  now. Even KDE does better than that! (joke, not flamebait).  
Cups is still the backend, but it's being integrated with dbus to
provide better usability. A screenshot of the new print dialog is
attached. Very close to KDE's. 

>  But i still
>  cant see why we are using moz not epiphany (apart from being completely
>  unpronounceable, and the word also un-understandable...)?
>  Decision-makers: please answer (or somebody else who knows the truth) 
That I don't know.

RFE: User-Understandable Default folders in Home

[David Malcolm]

On Sun, 2004-08-15 at 19:43 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  > Message: 1
>  > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:00:30 -0700
>  > From: Michael Knepher <mknepher(a)bluethingy.com&gt;
>  > Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11
>  Ops, sorry about that one...
>  
>  > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop
>  > 	<fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > Message-ID: <1092412830.20259.13.camel(a)lionel-hutz.darnell.group&gt;
>  > Content-Type: text/plain
>  > 
>  > On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 12:05 +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  > > > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:09 -0400
>  > > > From: David Malcolm <dmalcolm(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > > > 
>  > > > Currently Evolution 1.5.* stores its data (contacts, calendar, email
>  > > > etc) below the ~/.evolution directory and in GConf, and makes various
>  > > > assumptions about the layout of the ~/.evolution directory.  Evolution
>  > > > could be changed to follow this proposal for "local contacts"
> (as
>  > > > opposed to contacts found on e.g. a shared corporate LDAP database), but
>  > > > it'd be non-trivial.
>  > > > 
>  > > 
>  > > What? How do i transfer my mail that is currently in my evo folder? I
>  > > dont want to loose it!
>  > > 
>  > > Only thing kept in .evolution before was passwords and mailservers
>  > 
>  > The new Evolution will import all your old mail, contacts, calendar
>  > items, etc., on first startup. 
>  > 
>  How? Just copy the evo folder into my ~? What will then happen to my
>  evolution-folder? Just imported and then never touched again? 
What I did was to copy my "~/evolution" directory to a
"~/not_evolution", and then ran Evolution 1.5.  It successfully created
a new "~/.evolution" directory containing the same information in a new
format.  I believe it didn't touch the old directory afterwards, and
after using the Evolution 1.5 for a week or so I moved "~/evolution" and
"~/not_evolution" into a "backups" directory.

[snip]

Dave