[PATCH] Rename fedora-livecd-desktop to fedora-live-desktop.ks, add -cd.ks

[Colin Walters]

See attached.

[Colin Walters]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Colin Walters <walters(a)verbum.org&gt; wrote:
>  See attached. 
[Assuming you've read and understood the patch]

I'm doing a compose now of the new fedora-live-desktop.ks, which has
no minimizations for size.  The diff here turns out to be relatively
small.  A lot of random Unix utilities, the vast majority of which we
should basically kick out in favor of PackageKit-command-not-found,
but not this cycle.

But we need to go over this diff, there are a few things that stand out:

+desktop-backgrounds-basic

Can someone familiar with backgrounds fill me in?

+smartmontools

Since this is another send-mail-to-root-that's-never-seen subsystem, I
think we should kick this out of @base and into
@traditional-unix-server.  But since that comps group doesn't exist,
for now I will explicitly exclude it in -desktop.ks.

+specspo

Is this maintained/useful?

+hplip

Someone who knows about printing; is this included in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation
?

+krb5-auth-dialog

This should really only be running if you actually have a kerberos
ticket.  Needs a patch for gnome-session.  I'll look at this.

[Colin Walters]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Colin Walters <walters(a)verbum.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Colin Walters
> <walters(a)verbum.org&gt; wrote:
> > See attached.
>
>  [Assuming you've read and understood the patch]
>
>  I'm doing a compose now of the new fedora-live-desktop.ks, which has
>  no minimizations for size.  The diff here turns out to be relatively
>  small.  A lot of random Unix utilities, the vast majority of which we
>  should basically kick out in favor of PackageKit-command-not-found,
>  but not this cycle. 
Update: New size is:

-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 946864128 2010-03-23 11:02
livecd-fedora-live-desktop-201003231038.iso

Which doesn't leave a lot of room for a persistent overlay on a 1GB
USB key.  I'll dive into this.  It's probably worth staying under
900MB.

I'm also working on a desktop image that fits in a CD, with much more
extreme minimization.

[Bill Nottingham]

Colin Walters (walters(a)verbum.org) said: 
>  +smartmontools
>  
>  Since this is another send-mail-to-root-that's-never-seen subsystem, I
>  think we should kick this out of @base and into
>  @traditional-unix-server.  But since that comps group doesn't exist,
>  for now I will explicitly exclude it in -desktop.ks. 
GDU is doing these sorts of notifications for the desktop, right?

>  +specspo
>  
>  Is this maintained/useful? 
No, and not really, in order.

>  +hplip
>  
>  Someone who knows about printing; is this included in
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation
>  ? 
According to the maintainer, no. hplip contains fax support, command line tools, 
and other enhancements. The drivers themselves are in hpijs, which is
handled by the automatic print driver installation.

>  +acpid 
This is pointless on GNOME/KDE desktops.

>  +samba-client 
Is this really needed in the desktop with gvfs/gnome-vfs SMB
support?

>  +system-config-boot
>  +system-config-language
>  +system-config-lvm
>  +system-config-network
>  +system-config-services 
boot, network, and lvm can likely be removed.

Bill

[Rui Tiago Cação Matos]

On 23 March 2010 15:39, Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> > +samba-client
>
>  Is this really needed in the desktop with gvfs/gnome-vfs SMB
>  support? 
samba-client is needed by cups to print to Windows network shared
printers which are quite common in several work places IME.

Rui

[Fedora-spins] [PATCH] Rename fedora-livecd-desktop to fedora-live-desktop.ks, add -cd.ks

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:39:50AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  Colin Walters (walters(a)verbum.org) said: 
>  > +hplip
>  > 
>  > Someone who knows about printing; is this included in
>  > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation
>  > ?
>  
>  According to the maintainer, no. hplip contains fax support, command line tools, 
>  and other enhancements. The drivers themselves are in hpijs, which is
>  handled by the automatic print driver installation. 
Are there ways to handle configuring HP wifi printers other than
hp-wificonfig in that package?

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[Marian Holovatskyy]

Hi!
As I'm using Fedora really a lot, I don't like these to be removed. I like
Fedora for the plenty of useful tools, so I don't need to dig into system
internals in order to make some necessary settings. I change the services
often, and use system-config-network as the Network Manager is really
unstable and has a lot of bugs. I suppose that for user friendlines, there
have to be as much configuration tools as possible to make the system to
work properly (for example, what the use of Office packages if the default
ON services eat lots of CPU?). Personaly I tune the system a lot, so I'd
like to have the tools to do this.

+-alacarte
+-system-config-boot
+-system-config-language
+-system-config-lvm
+-system-config-network
+-system-config-rootpassword
+-system-config-services

Best regards.

On 23 March 2010 16:45, Colin Walters <walters(a)verbum.org&gt; wrote:

>  See attached.
>
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[Fedora-spins] [PATCH] Rename fedora-livecd-desktop to fedora-live-desktop.ks, add -cd.ks

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
>  See attached.
>   
I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called
fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks?

Could you please also update the Makefile.am?

-- Jeroen

[Fedora-spins] [PATCH] Rename fedora-livecd-desktop to fedora-live-desktop.ks, add -cd.ks

[Colin Walters]

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen
<kanarip(a)kanarip.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
> > See attached.
> >
>
>  I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called
>  fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks? 
Well I don't like the "dvd" terminology because then it gets really
confusing with the Standalone Anaconda DVD.  I settled on just "live".

However I've renamed fedora-live-desktop-cd.ks back to
fedora-livecd-desktop.ks which actually makes things less confusing.

Basically, now:

fedora-live-desktop.ks - Default desktop image, currently targeting < 1G
fedora-livecd-desktop.ks - At least Firefox, Anaconda, Palimpsest,
then other things as we can fit them.  Turning an install of this into
default desktop is now simply "yum install @gnome-desktop".

>  Could you please also update the Makefile.am? 
Done, thanks!

[Fedora-spins] [PATCH] Rename fedora-livecd-desktop to fedora-live-desktop.ks, add -cd.ks

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 13:29 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
>  On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen
>  <kanarip(a)kanarip.com&gt; wrote:
>  > On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
>  >> See attached.
>  >>
>  >
>  > I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called
>  > fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks?
>  
>  Well I don't like the "dvd" terminology because then it gets really
>  confusing with the Standalone Anaconda DVD.  I settled on just "live". 
Also, it's probably going to get written to more USB sticks than DVDs...
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