I agree, this is a good starting point. I don't really see the point of the popups, but if other folks think they're necessary, I won't argue.
Wouldn't have to be popups. Actually they are used now to provide a textual description of what the application does, e.g. for "Brasero Disk Burner" -> "Create and copy CDs and DVDs", which just seem better than having "Brasero Disk Burner" -> "Brasero". This unfortunately doesn't provide for the distinguishment we seek, e.g. in example of two terminals the popups are: "Terminal emulator" and "Use the command line"
In theory, the technical side should be a thirty second fix. The issue would be deciding new names. Some things shouldn't be too difficult, such as renaming Software Updates to Software Sources.
Combination of previous brings an idea - instead of modifying application names, we could alter the problematic applications' popups by adding a binary e.g like: "Terminal: Terminal emulator" and "Konsole: Use the command line". This way: + Both names would stay the same, so we wouldn't have do any actual renaming and (!) we'd evade any "arguing" among desktops + The original explanatory use of popups would be kept - Great for LXDE and XFCE, but there are no popups in Gnome 3 yet, thus out of direct reach of Fedora for now.
I wonder if this should be a QA test? It would help with improving the end product for us to check things like this, but it is also fairly subjective as to what constitutes as 'too similar.' I'm for it, but the aforementioned subjective nature makes coming up with a clear release criteria difficult.
I agree that deciding what is "too similar" can be a tricky one. But for most of the current apps the problem's simpler - the names are the same.
Let's bring this up on today's QA meeting, I am sure we'll get a good input on which way to go there.
Thanks! Vita -- Vita Humpa Fedora QA
Let's bring this up on today's QA meeting, I am sure we'll get a good input on which way to go there.
On the QA meeting on Monday, we've decided to reach out to GNOME for ideas on presenting duplicate application names in the overview. We'll see if they are willing to help us. Based on that we should go either the upstream way - or address the issue merely in downstream.
We should also reach folks at XFCE and LXDE to have this complete, as upstream solution by GNOME would not help tackle this issue in those. KDE has this figured already for some time.
I'll reach out to GNOME, if you guys also have some good contacts (xfce, lxde...) please feel free to share them or please help bringing this up to them as well.
Thanks! -- Vita Humpa Fedora QA
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