On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Leslie S Satenstein lsatenstein@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Elad
Sometimes I wonder if I am alone with the documentation group. I see that you and I have similar ideas.
I have been stating that the release notes, perhaps in pdf format, should be stored in the same directory as the ISO images.
The notes could be in html format by language b) Torrent file -- ditto c) PDF or *odt format
If wanted, use a a separate directory to hold the notes. In this case, a language code in the title would distinguish the appropriate translation.
In my view, If I have already installed the ISO, it is too late for the notes -- Fedora21 will be functional. The true use of the notes is for planning the upgrade, be it by fresh installation or via fedup.
But what would be of interest to me for pre-installation planning would be a bill-of-lading -- a contents list for each of the Fedora 21 iso images.
Regards
Leslie Mr. Leslie Satenstein
Hi Leslie.
That sounds like a good compromise. The Final Release Criteria doesn't state we need the release notes on the *installed* system, it uses the phrasing "on the image" https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Final_Release_Criteria#Release_note...
So, yes, this is possible, but to make it happen we need to generate PDFs for the release notes, and get rel-eng to put them on the media itself.
Just one thing: next time please use "reply to all" to reply on-list so other people can see your message too.
Is this compromise (putting PDF files in the directory on the media instead of in the live system itself) acceptable for everyone?
To me a perfect solution would be to place the release notes in gnome-control-center's 'Details' section. It seems like an appropriate location and is better suited to these sorts of things since it is not somewhere like ~/Documents in which they are user-removable. This approach would of course require downstream patches, however.
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On Tue, 2 Sep, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Elad Alfassa elad@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Leslie S Satenstein lsatenstein@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Elad
Sometimes I wonder if I am alone with the documentation group. I see that you and I have similar ideas.
I have been stating that the release notes, perhaps in pdf format, should be stored in the same directory as the ISO images.
The notes could be in html format by language b) Torrent file -- ditto c) PDF or *odt format
If wanted, use a a separate directory to hold the notes. In this case, a language code in the title would distinguish the appropriate translation.
In my view, If I have already installed the ISO, it is too late for the notes -- Fedora21 will be functional. The true use of the notes is for planning the upgrade, be it by fresh installation or via fedup.
But what would be of interest to me for pre-installation planning would be a bill-of-lading -- a contents list for each of the Fedora 21 iso images.
Regards
Leslie Mr. Leslie Satenstein
Hi Leslie.
That sounds like a good compromise. The Final Release Criteria doesn't state we need the release notes on the *installed* system, it uses the phrasing "on the image" https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_21_Final_Release_Criteria#Release_note...
So, yes, this is possible, but to make it happen we need to generate PDFs for the release notes, and get rel-eng to put them on the media itself.
Just one thing: next time please use "reply to all" to reply on-list so other people can see your message too.
Is this compromise (putting PDF files in the directory on the media instead of in the live system itself) acceptable for everyone? --
-Elad Alfassa.
desktop mailing list desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
On 2 September 2014 09:41, Marco Scannadinari m@scannadinari.co.uk wrote:
To me a perfect solution would be to place the release notes in gnome-control-center's 'Details' section. It seems like an appropriate location and is better suited to these sorts of things since it is not somewhere like ~/Documents in which they are user-removable. This approach would of course require downstream patches, however.
Surely they're more easily discovered in ~/Documents? If what's placed there is actually a symlink to the real document, which is stored under /usr/share/doc somewhere, then the user can just delete that symlink once he's read the notes without affecting any other users.
I think Control Center's Details section is a little too hidden away for the release notes, and is also GNOME-specific.
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 09:41 +0100, Marco Scannadinari wrote:
To me a perfect solution would be to place the release notes in gnome-control-center's 'Details' section. It seems like an appropriate location and is better suited to these sorts of things since it is not somewhere like ~/Documents in which they are user-removable. This approach would of course require downstream patches, however.
Or we could display them on an optional spoke in anaconda.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 09:41 +0100, Marco Scannadinari wrote:
To me a perfect solution would be to place the release notes in gnome-control-center's 'Details' section. It seems like an appropriate location and is better suited to these sorts of things since it is not somewhere like ~/Documents in which they are user-removable. This approach would of course require downstream patches, however.
Or we could display them on an optional spoke in anaconda.
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That's just silly.
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 03:41:17PM +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 09:41 +0100, Marco Scannadinari wrote:
To me a perfect solution would be to place the release notes in gnome-control-center's 'Details' section. It seems like an appropriate location and is better suited to these sorts of things since it is not somewhere like ~/Documents in which they are user-removable. This approach would of course require downstream patches, however.
Or we could display them on an optional spoke in anaconda.
That's just silly.
Release notes used to be displayed in Anaconda, and AIUI removing them allowed trimming a bunch of otherwise unused code. I doubt the Anaconda upstream wants to shove all that stuff back into the installer.
On 2 Sep 2014 13:38, "Michael Catanzaro" mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
Or we could display them on an optional spoke in anaconda.
Then only the person installing the system will see them; if they're in ~/Documents he'd be able to read them before beginning the installation.
Am Dienstag, den 02.09.2014, 09:41 +0100 schrieb Marco Scannadinari:
To me a perfect solution would be to place the release notes in gnome-control-center's 'Details' section.
I don't think that is intuitive. Personally I would never look there.
It seems like an appropriate location and is better suited to these sorts of things since it is not somewhere like ~/Documents in which they are user-removable.
We would probably have them in /usr/share/ (installed by an rpm which may or may not have a launcher) and only link them.
Best regards, Christoph
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