Status of compiz(-fusion) for KDE

[Sebastian Vahl]

What's the actual plan for the kde side of compiz? I was asked some
time ago to replace beryl with compiz(-fusion) on the KDE-LiveCD. ATM
compiz is lacking a configuration tool (former beryl-settings) and
also maybe a switcher for kwin <-> compiz (Kevin Kofler is investigating
these atm). 

And there are also some (maybe dumb) questions:
- Will compiz(-fusion) obsolete beryl in the future?
- Is there a equivalent to beryl-manager that may be usuable for
switching kwin<->compiz (like beryl-manager does for beryl)?

Sebastian

[Kristian Høgsberg]

On 9/26/07, Sebastian Vahl <ml(a)deadbabylon.de&gt; wrote:
>  What's the actual plan for the kde side of compiz? I was asked
> some
>  time ago to replace beryl with compiz(-fusion) on the KDE-LiveCD. ATM
>  compiz is lacking a configuration tool (former beryl-settings) and
>  also maybe a switcher for kwin <-> compiz (Kevin Kofler is investigating
>  these atm). 
We now have a compiz-kde pacakge that has the kde-window-decorator and
the GNOME specific bits are split into compiz-gnome.  As for
configuration tools, I'm thinking that they can be packaged up as
separate RPMs and people can pick the tool they prefer.

>  And there are also some (maybe dumb) questions:
>  - Will compiz(-fusion) obsolete beryl in the future? 
I'm not planning to make the compiz rpm obsolete the beryl rpm, but
upstream, the two projects have merged and I don't expect the fedora
beryl rpms to see much activitiy.

>  - Is there a equivalent to beryl-manager that may be usuable for
>  switching kwin<->compiz (like beryl-manager does for beryl)? 
I don't know, there may be, if there is something usable out there we
can add it to the compiz-kde package or the appropriate parts of the
KDE packages.

cheers,
Kristian

[Rahul Sundaram]

Kristian Høgsberg wrote:

>  
>  I'm not planning to make the compiz rpm obsolete the beryl rpm, but
>  upstream, the two projects have merged and I don't expect the fedora
>  beryl rpms to see much activitiy. 
Is there a reason not to obsolete beryl?

Rahul

[drago01]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Kristian Høgsberg wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm not planning to make the compiz rpm obsolete the beryl rpm, but
> > upstream, the two projects have merged and I don't expect the fedora
> > beryl rpms to see much activitiy.
>
>  Is there a reason not to obsolete beryl? 
because they do not conflict with
eachother so there is no reason to do 
it (beryl uses %{_libdir}/berly for its plugins and also use berly as 
binary etc. so there are no file conflicts) ... you can install beryl 
and use beryl-manager sto switch between beryl, compiz(-fusion), kwin 
and metacity.

[Rahul Sundaram]

dragoran wrote:
>  Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Kristian Høgsberg wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I'm not planning to make the compiz rpm obsolete the beryl rpm, but
> >> upstream, the two projects have merged and I don't expect the fedora
> >> beryl rpms to see much activitiy.
> >
> > Is there a reason not to obsolete beryl?
>  because they do not conflict with eachother so there is no reason to do 
>  it (beryl uses %{_libdir}/berly for its plugins and also use berly as 
>  binary etc. so there are no file conflicts) ... you can install beryl 
>  and use beryl-manager sto switch between beryl, compiz(-fusion), kwin 
>  and metacity. 
They don't have to conflict with each other. Beryl upstream has renamed 
and morphed into Compiz Fusion. Isn't that a good reason?

Rahul

[Sebastian Vahl]

Am Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:29:03 -0400
schrieb "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh(a)bitplanet.net&gt;:

>  On 9/26/07, Sebastian Vahl <ml(a)deadbabylon.de&gt; wrote:
>  > What's the actual plan for the kde side of compiz? I was asked some
>  > time ago to replace beryl with compiz(-fusion) on the KDE-LiveCD.
>  > ATM compiz is lacking a configuration tool (former beryl-settings)
>  > and also maybe a switcher for kwin <-> compiz (Kevin Kofler is
>  > investigating these atm).
>  
>  We now have a compiz-kde pacakge that has the kde-window-decorator and
>  the GNOME specific bits are split into compiz-gnome.  As for
>  configuration tools, I'm thinking that they can be packaged up as
>  separate RPMs and people can pick the tool they prefer. 
Putting the configuration tools in separate packages would be the best -
at least for the size of the livecds. But compiz itself seems only to
work when started with gconf as plugin (which is in compiz-gnome). A
simple:
 compiz --replace &
 kde-window-decorator --replace &
seems not to work. I may be wrong in that, because it was only a quick
test today. If I find some time I will investigate this and open a bug.


>  > And there are also some (maybe dumb) questions:
>  > - Will compiz(-fusion) obsolete beryl in the future?
>  
>  I'm not planning to make the compiz rpm obsolete the beryl rpm, but
>  upstream, the two projects have merged and I don't expect the fedora
>  beryl rpms to see much activitiy. 
Good to know. Thanks. So sticking to beryl on the KDE-LiveCD is the
only option I have atm.

>  > - Is there a equivalent to beryl-manager that may be usuable
> for
>  > switching kwin<->compiz (like beryl-manager does for beryl)?
>  
>  I don't know, there may be, if there is something usable out there we
>  can add it to the compiz-kde package or the appropriate parts of the
>  KDE packages. 
There seems to be a backend being developed at:
http://gitweb.opencompositing.org/?p=fusion/compizconfig/compizconfig-bac...
But (again) I haven't tested this (yet) and cannot say if it's usuable.
There's also existing an inofficial repo containing these configuration
tools:
http://wiki.kagesenshi.org/moin.fcgi/CategoryPackages/CompizFusion

Maybe he is willing to package them directly in Fedora.

Sebastian

[drago01]

Sebastian Vahl wrote:
>  Am Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:29:03 -0400
>  schrieb "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh(a)bitplanet.net&gt;:
>
>    
> > On 9/26/07, Sebastian Vahl <ml(a)deadbabylon.de&gt; wrote:
> >     
> >> What's the actual plan for the kde side of compiz? I was asked some
> >> time ago to replace beryl with compiz(-fusion) on the KDE-LiveCD.
> >> ATM compiz is lacking a configuration tool (former beryl-settings)
> >> and also maybe a switcher for kwin <-> compiz (Kevin Kofler is
> >> investigating these atm).
> >>       
> > We now have a compiz-kde pacakge that has the kde-window-decorator and
> > the GNOME specific bits are split into compiz-gnome.  As for
> > configuration tools, I'm thinking that they can be packaged up as
> > separate RPMs and people can pick the tool they prefer.
> >     
>
>  Putting the configuration tools in separate packages would be the best -
>  at least for the size of the livecds. But compiz itself seems only to
>  work when started with gconf as plugin (which is in compiz-gnome). A
>  simple:
>   compiz --replace &
>   kde-window-decorator --replace &
>  seems not to work. I may be wrong in that, because it was only a quick
>  test today. If I find some time I will investigate this and open a bug.
>
>     
you have to pass a configuration backend to compiz
compiz --replace ini & should work.
the kconfig backend is not in the stable (0.6) branch yet.
so it will be in compiz 0.8 when it gets released which is too late for F8.

[Sebastian Vahl]

Am Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:49:28 +0200
schrieb dragoran <drago01(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  Sebastian Vahl wrote:
>  > Am Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:29:03 -0400
>  > schrieb "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh(a)bitplanet.net&gt;:
>  >
>  >   
>  >> On 9/26/07, Sebastian Vahl <ml(a)deadbabylon.de&gt; wrote:
>  >>     
>  >>> What's the actual plan for the kde side of compiz? I was asked
>  >>> some time ago to replace beryl with compiz(-fusion) on the
>  >>> KDE-LiveCD. ATM compiz is lacking a configuration tool (former
>  >>> beryl-settings) and also maybe a switcher for kwin <-> compiz
>  >>> (Kevin Kofler is investigating these atm).
>  >>>       
>  >> We now have a compiz-kde pacakge that has the kde-window-decorator
>  >> and the GNOME specific bits are split into compiz-gnome.  As for
>  >> configuration tools, I'm thinking that they can be packaged up as
>  >> separate RPMs and people can pick the tool they prefer.
>  >>     
>  >
>  > Putting the configuration tools in separate packages would be the
>  > best - at least for the size of the livecds. But compiz itself
>  > seems only to work when started with gconf as plugin (which is in
>  > compiz-gnome). A simple:
>  >  compiz --replace &
>  >  kde-window-decorator --replace &
>  > seems not to work. I may be wrong in that, because it was only a
>  > quick test today. If I find some time I will investigate this and
>  > open a bug.
>  >
>  >   
>  you have to pass a configuration backend to compiz
>  compiz --replace ini & should work. 
Thanks, that was it. It's still not really working but this shouldn't
become a support thread. :)

>  the kconfig backend is not in the stable (0.6) branch yet.
>  so it will be in compiz 0.8 when it gets released which is too late
>  for F8. 
Thanks for explanation.

Sebastian