On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 16:14 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I install a fresh Fedora7 (test 3) then run web browser and go to
fedora magazine page - from there I download some video ogg files from
Why is it that when I click on the file I can't view the video? Player
just crashes! And the default player is kamboodle! Why is that?!? That
is the worst video player I have seen ever! On any platform!
Opensource or not there is no excuse to put that player as the default
I believe you mean Kaboodle:
Fedora 7 experience was a bit better than FC6 one - because in FC6
when I tried the same experiment I got an error message that ogg is a
unknown format and system doesn't know how to open it!
And that was with Kaboodle again?
Great! And that was an OGG file with 0% proprietary fibers in it :)
How do you expect to get people to use linux as a destop when the MOST
simple multimedia desktop scenario doesn't work!?!
Did you have a really bad day when you wrote that? :)
If you can't play "official" video form redhat pages
then this is a
serious case of TERRIBLE multimedia desktop usability!
Again, that's not very constructive.
I know about all the great effort that has gone into fedora
and I love it. It is the best linux distro for me, but I know how to
set it up, iron out the quirks that mess up the destop experience and
configure it for optimal work/play flow.
But please, please make it a lot easier on non-geek people so that
they can also use this great stuff called fedora. And belive me there
are people wanting to do so, but they can't because we don't let them.
They need some features to be enabled by default or else they won't
know how that they even exist.
So please change the default video player to totem or something else,
just NOT kamboodle because it just doesn't work and it sucks GUI vise.
You wouldn't have happened to do a KDE installation? Totem and Rhythmbox
are, respectively, the default movie and music players in the GNOME
Regarding proprietary video codecs RedHad developers just say
something like this: "We talked with out lawyers and they said no."
Ok? And? Where can we see this discussion? I know that you can't put
MP3 support in fedora, but that you can't even put an link for some
European server that has all the codecs? Lawyers say that RedHat can
be sued even for puting links that enable multimedia. Ok, maybe I
believe it but it is maybe possible that some one would sue, but
hardly win that case.
But there are legal ways around that, you can put a text saying that
it is legal to enable multimedia codecs only if you live in a country
that doesn't have software patents - like I do.
Canonical is a company registered on the Isle of Man, not a US company.
It is possible if you want it - Ubuntu has shown that because they
will be doing just that, and even a step beyond that. Ubuntu will have
a Ubuntu for European market and other countries that don't have
software patents (my country doesn't!) with all multimedia codecs
embedded within the distro!
They don't have multiple versions, as far as I know, and they would have
problems regarding the legality of shipping some of those patented
codecs in the US.
So please let's start the discussion because believe me there is
great need for this because there are lot's media files that are
every where (internet, youtube, divx rips of dvds, etc...) that people
have a need to watch and listen.
What's the discussion about? Having a discussion won't change the legal
stance of Fedora.
Hope to hear from Fedora/RedHat developers and Desktop usability
experts what are their opinions.
Read the Fedora FAQ for some third-party ways of getting codecs:
I will make this email available also on my blog:
so you can leave/read comments there also.
PS: You should use more exclamation marks.