Reducing fonts on KDE-LiveCD

[Sebastian Vahl]

Hi.

Due to some changes in the past (anaconda requires zenity requires yelp
requires firefox / wallpaper is now in gnome-backgrounds which requires
desktop-backgrounds-basic) the size of the kde livecd is exploding. I
think the easiest way of saving some space is to remove some fonts. But
I need some help with this to not remove some essential fonts for some
people.

The included fonts atm are:

bitmap-fonts
cjkunifonts-ukai
cjkunifonts-uming
dejavu-lgc-fonts
fontconfig
fonts-arabic
fonts-bengali
fonts-chinese
fonts-gujarati
fonts-hebrew
fonts-hebrew-fancy
fonts-hindi
fonts-ISO8859-2
fonts-ISO8859-2-100dpi
fonts-ISO8859-2-75dpi
fonts-japanese
fonts-kannada
fonts-KOI8-R
fonts-KOI8-R-100dpi
fonts-KOI8-R-75dpi
fonts-korean
fonts-malayalam
fonts-oriya
fonts-punjabi
fonts-sinhala
fonts-tamil
fonts-telugu
fonts-truetype-apl
fonts-x11-apl
ghostscript-fonts
jomolhari-fonts
liberation-fonts
libfontenc
libXfont
libXfontcache
sazanami-fonts-gothic
sazanami-fonts-mincho
urw-fonts
xorg-x11-fonts-100dpi
xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi
xorg-x11-fonts-misc
xorg-x11-fonts-truetype
xorg-x11-fonts-Type1
xorg-x11-font-utils


Suggestions?


Sebastian

P.S.: The full package list of my actual version is listed here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList

[Matthias Clasen]

On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:55 +0200, Sebastian Vahl wrote:
>  Hi.
>  
>  Due to some changes in the past (anaconda requires zenity requires yelp
>  requires firefox / wallpaper is now in gnome-backgrounds which requires
>  desktop-backgrounds-basic) the size of the kde livecd is exploding. I
>  think the easiest way of saving some space is to remove some fonts. But
>  I need some help with this to not remove some essential fonts for some
>  people.
>   
I think it would be better to investigate these problematic dependencies
and see what we can do about them. Some of them sound very fixable.

[Rex Dieter]

Matthias Clasen wrote:
 
>  On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:55 +0200, Sebastian Vahl wrote:
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Due to some changes in the past (anaconda requires zenity requires yelp
> > requires firefox / wallpaper is now in gnome-backgrounds which requires
> > desktop-backgrounds-basic) the size of the kde livecd is exploding... 
>  I think it would be better to investigate these problematic
> dependencies
>  and see what we can do about them. Some of them sound very fixable. 
Agreed.  

Re: anaconda -> ... -> firefox, I thought this had been resolved?  
Re: gnome-backgrounds: what wallpaper in there (now) that kde needs?

-- Rex

[Bill Nottingham]

Rex Dieter (rdieter(a)math.unl.edu) said: 
>  Re: anaconda -> ... -> firefox, I thought this had been
> resolved?  
>  Re: gnome-backgrounds: what wallpaper in there (now) that kde needs? 
Don't know about *gnome*-backgrounds, but the new infinity artwork
is in desktop-backgrounds-basic.

Bill

[Matthias Clasen]

On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 09:41 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  Rex Dieter (rdieter(a)math.unl.edu) said: 
>  > Re: anaconda -> ... -> firefox, I thought this had been resolved?  
>  > Re: gnome-backgrounds: what wallpaper in there (now) that kde needs?
>  
>  Don't know about *gnome*-backgrounds, but the new infinity artwork
>  is in desktop-backgrounds-basic. 
I'm still waiting for Ray to send a mail about his artwork package
reorganization...

Part of that is creating a separate infinity-backgrounds package.

[Sebastian Vahl]

Am Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:13:09 -0500
schrieb Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt;:

>  Matthias Clasen wrote:
>   
>  > On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 11:55 +0200, Sebastian Vahl wrote:
>  >> Hi.
>  >> 
>  >> Due to some changes in the past (anaconda requires zenity requires
>  >> yelp requires firefox / wallpaper is now in gnome-backgrounds
>  >> which requires desktop-backgrounds-basic) the size of the kde
>  >> livecd is exploding...
>  
>  > I think it would be better to investigate these problematic
>  > dependencies and see what we can do about them. Some of them sound
>  > very fixable.
>  
>  Agreed.  
>  
>  Re: anaconda -> ... -> firefox, I thought this had been resolved?  
Yeah, I've thought so, too. In one spin I've created (just before
the sig meeting where I mentioned this) firefox was gone. So I've
thought it this issue was resolved. 
But the next day it was back. So maybe I was too blind to see it.

 
>  Re: gnome-backgrounds: what wallpaper in there (now) that kde needs?
/usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png is now (or atm) just a
symlink to /usr/share/backgrounds/infinity/am00.png.

default.png is in desktop-backgrounds-basic, am00.png was in
gnome-backgrounds - now it is also in deskop-backgrounds-basic.
But kdesktop fails about the symlink:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=290571

Sebastian

[Rex Dieter]

Sebastian Vahl wrote:

>  Hi.
>  
>  Due to some changes in the past (anaconda requires zenity requires yelp
>  requires firefox / wallpaper is now in gnome-backgrounds which requires
>  desktop-backgrounds-basic) the size of the kde livecd is exploding. I
>  think the easiest way of saving some space is to remove some fonts. But
>  I need some help with this to not remove some essential fonts for some
>  people. 
Heck, since we make no bones about the fact that kde-livecd is English only,
most of the following could be candidates for omission:

>  cjkunifonts-ukai
>  cjkunifonts-uming
>  fonts-arabic
>  fonts-bengali
>  fonts-chinese
>  fonts-gujarati
>  fonts-hebrew
>  fonts-hebrew-fancy
>  fonts-hindi
>  fonts-ISO8859-2
>  fonts-ISO8859-2-100dpi
>  fonts-ISO8859-2-75dpi
>  fonts-japanese
>  fonts-kannada
>  fonts-KOI8-R
>  fonts-KOI8-R-100dpi
>  fonts-KOI8-R-75dpi
>  fonts-korean
>  fonts-malayalam
>  fonts-oriya
>  fonts-punjabi
>  fonts-sinhala
>  fonts-tamil
>  fonts-telugu
>  fonts-truetype-apl
>  fonts-x11-apl
>  jomolhari-fonts
>  sazanami-fonts-gothic
>  sazanami-fonts-mincho

[Sebastian Vahl]

Am Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:09:53 -0500
schrieb Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt;:

>  Sebastian Vahl wrote:
>  
>  > Hi.
>  > 
>  > Due to some changes in the past (anaconda requires zenity requires
>  > yelp requires firefox / wallpaper is now in gnome-backgrounds which
>  > requires desktop-backgrounds-basic) the size of the kde livecd is
>  > exploding. I think the easiest way of saving some space is to
>  > remove some fonts. But I need some help with this to not remove
>  > some essential fonts for some people.
>  
>  Heck, since we make no bones about the fact that kde-livecd is
>  English only, most of the following could be candidates for omission:
>  
>  > cjkunifonts-ukai
>  > cjkunifonts-uming
>  > fonts-arabic
>  > fonts-bengali
>  > fonts-chinese
>  > fonts-gujarati
>  > fonts-hebrew
>  > fonts-hebrew-fancy
>  > fonts-hindi
>  > fonts-ISO8859-2
>  > fonts-ISO8859-2-100dpi
>  > fonts-ISO8859-2-75dpi
>  > fonts-japanese
>  > fonts-kannada
>  > fonts-KOI8-R
>  > fonts-KOI8-R-100dpi
>  > fonts-KOI8-R-75dpi
>  > fonts-korean
>  > fonts-malayalam
>  > fonts-oriya
>  > fonts-punjabi
>  > fonts-sinhala
>  > fonts-tamil
>  > fonts-telugu
>  > fonts-truetype-apl
>  > fonts-x11-apl
>  > jomolhari-fonts
>  > sazanami-fonts-gothic
>  > sazanami-fonts-mincho 
So would it be a safe option to remove this fonts? Or does this maybe
affect people using some of this fonts if they want to watch a website
in this language?

Sebastian

[Rahul Sundaram]

Sebastian Vahl wrote:

>  
>  So would it be a safe option to remove this fonts? Or does this maybe
>  affect people using some of this fonts if they want to watch a website
>  in this language? 
Yes it does affect a lot of people if we want good support for those 
languages out of the box. There has been some recent changes regarding 
what fonts are installed by default in the regular image which you can 
see in fedora-devel list. Matching that would be good.

Rahul

[Sebastian Vahl]

Am Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:08:55 +0530
schrieb Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:

>  Sebastian Vahl wrote:
>  
>  > 
>  > So would it be a safe option to remove this fonts? Or does this
>  > maybe affect people using some of this fonts if they want to watch
>  > a website in this language?
>  
>  Yes it does affect a lot of people if we want good support for those 
>  languages out of the box. There has been some recent changes
>  regarding what fonts are installed by default in the regular image
>  which you can see in fedora-devel list. Matching that would be good. 
Ok. So including the group "base-x" should match the current decision.
And because it's on livecd-fedora-base-desktop I just have to remove
"fonts-*" from livecd-fedora-kde.ks.

The result would be:

bitmap-fonts
cjkunifonts-uming
dejavu-lgc-fonts
fonts-arabic
fonts-bengali
fonts-gujarati
fonts-hebrew
fonts-hindi
fonts-kannada
fonts-korean
fonts-oriya
fonts-punjabi
fonts-sinhala
fonts-tamil
fonts-telugu
ghostscript-fonts
jomolhari-fonts
liberation-fonts
sazanami-fonts-gothic
urw-fonts
xorg-x11-fonts-100dpi
xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-1-100dpi
xorg-x11-fonts-misc
xorg-x11-fonts-truetype
xorg-x11-fonts-Type1

So these ones would be gone because they are defined as "optional" (at
least atm):

cjkunifonts-ukai
fonts-chinese
fonts-hebrew-fancy
fonts-ISO8859-2
fonts-ISO8859-2-100dpi
fonts-ISO8859-2-75dpi
fonts-japanese
fonts-KOI8-R
fonts-KOI8-R-100dpi
fonts-KOI8-R-75dpi
fonts-malayalam
fonts-truetype-apl
fonts-x11-apl
sazanami-fonts-mincho


Sebastian

[Rex Dieter]

Sebastian Vahl wrote:

>  the size of the kde livecd is exploding.
>  Suggestions? 
live DVD? :)

-- Rex

[Arthur Pemberton]

On 9/18/07, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>  Sebastian Vahl wrote:
>
>  > the size of the kde livecd is exploding.
>  > Suggestions?
>
>  live DVD? :)
>
>  -- Rex 

I think we are alienating non broadband users as it is. In the irc
rooms, the only CD installation we can suggest to people is the
LiveCD.

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