6:16 a.m.
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
#fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
that was submitted. Please join if you can.
josh
6:41 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
#fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
Cheers
6:55 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
> that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
95% of the discussion happened on the thread Christian started on the
advisory-board list, Subject: Proposal: Revision of policy surrounding
3rd party and non-free software
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2014-January/thr...
josh
8:09 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera
<bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
>> that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>
> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
>
> Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
8:22 a.m.
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On 01/23/2014 09:09 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera
> <bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo
>>> ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>
>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL
>> yet.
>>
>> Could you send the link?
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
> instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for
...
See the last paragraph here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board#Contact
In short, this probably shouldn't have been filed as a ticket in the
first place, since the Trac instance exists solely for managing
sensitive topics (such as legal issues).
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8:23 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
>>> that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>
>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
>>
>> Could you send the link?
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
> instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been
private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal
issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public. All
other conversations are directed to the advisory-board list, as this
one was.
josh
8:26 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
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On 01/23/2014 09:09 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer
> <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera
>> <bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo
>>>> ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>>
>>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL
>>> yet.
>>>
>>> Could you send the link?
>>
>> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
>> instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
>
> What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for
> ...
>
See the last paragraph here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board#Contact
In short, this probably shouldn't have been filed as a ticket in the
first place, since the Trac instance exists solely for managing
sensitive topics (such as legal issues).
That's incorrect. The existence of a ticket can be used for tracking
purposes while the discussion of an item can be directed to
advisory-board. Tickets exist because they are issues that need to be
solved. Expecting the Board to do all of its issue tracking without a
tool that helps with issue tracking is an unrealistic expectation.
josh
8:31 a.m.
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On 01/23/2014 09:26 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Stephen Gallagher
<sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
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> On 01/23/2014 09:09 AM, drago01 wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer
>> <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera
>>> <bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party
>>>>> repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>>>
>>>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a
>>>> URL yet.
>>>>
>>>> Could you send the link?
>>>
>>> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board
>>> trac instance is private and you will not be able to read
>>> it.
>>
>> What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands
>> for ...
>>
>
> See the last paragraph here:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board#Contact
>
> In short, this probably shouldn't have been filed as a ticket in
> the first place, since the Trac instance exists solely for
> managing sensitive topics (such as legal issues).
That's incorrect. The existence of a ticket can be used for
tracking purposes while the discussion of an item can be directed
to advisory-board. Tickets exist because they are issues that need
to be solved. Expecting the Board to do all of its issue tracking
without a tool that helps with issue tracking is an unrealistic
expectation.
Then someone should probably update the Wiki to reflect that.
Also, I spotted
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2011-January/010...
in a Google search which suggests making the instance public with
private_tickets available instead of fully private. Probably worth
looking into that.
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9:02 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> That's incorrect. The existence of a ticket can be used for
> tracking purposes while the discussion of an item can be directed
> to advisory-board. Tickets exist because they are issues that need
> to be solved. Expecting the Board to do all of its issue tracking
> without a tool that helps with issue tracking is an unrealistic
> expectation.
Then someone should probably update the Wiki to reflect that.
Clarified.
josh
9:21 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
>>>> that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>>
>>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
>>>
>>> Could you send the link?
>>
>> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
>> instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
>
> What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been
private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal
issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be
marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in
bugzilla) and leave
other ones like this one public?
9:23 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
>>>>> that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>>>
>>>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL
yet.
>>>>
>>>> Could you send the link?
>>>
>>> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
>>> instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
>>
>> What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
>
> This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been
> private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal
> issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be
marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in
bugzilla) and leave
other ones like this one public?
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has been
suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking
again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of
trac before it could happen.
josh
9:24 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera
<bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>>>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo
ticket
>>>>>> that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a
URL yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you send the link?
>>>>
>>>> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
>>>> instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
>>>
>>> What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
>>
>> This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been
>> private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal
>> issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
>
> OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be
> marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in
> bugzilla) and leave
> other ones like this one public?
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has been
suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking
again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of
trac before it could happen.
OK.
9:33 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:23:19AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has
been
suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking
again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of
trac before it could happen.
We could create a public mailing list and Cc: non-sensitive tickets to
it.
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59(a)srcf.ucam.org
9:35 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in
>>>>> #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket
>>>>> that was submitted. Please join if you can.
>>>>
>>>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL
yet.
>>>>
>>>> Could you send the link?
>>>
>>> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac
>>> instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
>>
>> What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
>
> This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been
> private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal
> issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be
marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in
bugzilla) and leave
other ones like this one public?
It was discussed several time by Board but Trac does not support it.
At least that time it was not possible. If anyone is able to work
on support for private tickets, it would be awesome.
Jaroslav
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10 a.m.
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On 01/23/2014 10:35 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
----- Original Message -----
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer
> <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 <drago01(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer
>>> <jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera
>>>> <bnocera(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC
>>>>>> in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd
>>>>>> party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if
>>>>>> you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen
>>>>> a URL yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you send the link?
>>>>
>>>> https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board
>>>> trac instance is private and you will not be able to read
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora
>>> stands for ...
>>
>> This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has
>> been private since it was created. The Board at times deals
>> with legal issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be
>> discussed in public.
>
> OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones)
> be marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can
> do in bugzilla) and leave other ones like this one public?
It was discussed several time by Board but Trac does not support
it. At least that time it was not possible. If anyone is able to
work on support for private tickets, it would be awesome.
Modern versions of Trac (0.11 and later) can install the
http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateTicketsPlugin for this purpose.
Since the Board Trac instance reports:
Powered by Trac 0.12.5
I should think this would be pretty straightforward.
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12:07 p.m.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:00:55 -0500
Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Modern versions of Trac (0.11 and later) can install the
for this purpose.
Since the Board Trac instance reports:
Powered by Trac 0.12.5
I should think this would be pretty straightforward.
ok, lets have this discussion again then, perhaps we could make a wiki
page/faq this time?
The board trac instance _is_ using the private tickets plugin. Thats
whats doing the private part now. Only people with the right trac
permission (the board members) and people on cc or reporter can see
them. There's no way with this plugin to later then decide a ticket
shouldn't be private and can be viewed by everyone. At least not
without further making all existing tickets viewable by everyone.
At least I don't see a way to do that...
Additionally, there is another plugin called 'sensitive tickets':
http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/SensitiveTicketsPlugin
This adds a checkbox a reporter could use to mark the ticket
'sensitive' and then only people in the sensitive group can see them.
This however depends on the reporter setting that checkbox. It also
sends emails as normal so people on cc/reporter/anylists will still get
changes. Also, it fails to open instead of closed. If theres a problem
with it, it shows the ticket instead of not.
Open to implementing any found solutions... but they might be better
proposed on the infrastructure list.
kevin
2:47 p.m.
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 10:23 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
> OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal
ones) be
> marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in
> bugzilla) and leave
> other ones like this one public?
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has been
suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking
again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of
trac before it could happen.
There are several trac plugins available for use on fedorahosted trac
instances - you might want to check if any of these would address the
problem. The set does get gradually expanded over time (I've had two
plugins added in the last year for the purpose of QA and Badges tracs,
for instance). I don't happen to know off the top of my head if any of
the plugins available would allow you to achieve the desired result, but
I wouldn't be surprised.
--
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Fedora QA Community Monkey
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