Fwd: Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting Notes, 5 May

[Nieves Montero Fernandez]

Attendees

- Allan

- Chris

- Luigi

- Matthias

- Michael

- Neal

- Nieves

- Tomas
Summary

Meeting attendees managed administrative processes and coordinated Fedora
45 planning alongside user feedback and feature requests.

Administrative and Planning Setup
Participants addressed note-taking responsibilities and clarified access
issues with meeting minutes. The group initiated planning for Fedora 45 by
identifying key feature changes and release requirements.

Feedback and Feature Debates
Members discussed negative user feedback regarding navigation and desktop
functionality. The team evaluated implementation timelines for Flatpak
filtering and potential keyboard shortcuts for system monitoring.

System Configuration and Resolution
A decision was made to avoid downstream schema overrides for the system
monitor shortcut request by deferring to upstream policy. Development plans
were reviewed for Anaconda keyboard configurations.
Next steps

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[Tomáš Popela] Fix Notes: Try figuring out meeting notes access issues.
   Attempt recreating the meeting for next week.
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[Tomáš Popela] Revive Calendar: Revive the FA 45 planning calendar.
   Bring any identified items onto the agenda.
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[Michael Catanzaro] Send Minutes: Manually send Gemini meeting notes to
   Nieves Montero Fernandez after the meeting.
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[Luigi Pavan] Implement Filtering: Start focusing on the implementation
   work for Flatpak filtering for Fedora 45.
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[Allan Day] Investigate Logout: Look into the reported complaints
   regarding the missing log out button.
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[Allan Day] Comment Shortcut: Comment on the upstream shortcut request
   issue.
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[Tomáš Popela] Comment Shortcut: Add a comment to the Fedora shortcut
   request issue.
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[Michael Catanzaro] Tackle Keyboard: Tackle the complicated work of
   implementing language and keyboard selection before the live desktop loads
   (Issue 511). Assign this ticket to himself.

Details

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Secretary Assignment and Meeting Minutes Access Issues: Michael
   Catanzaro described their process for selecting the secretary, which
   involves cycling through the working group member list and noted that the
   previous secretary was Allan. The current secretary was identified as
   Nieves Montero Fernandez. There was a significant discussion regarding
   difficulties accessing the meeting minutes document, as Tomáš Popela
   reported not having access despite creating the calendar event and sending
   an access request. Michael Catanzaro indicated the meeting notes are set to
   be sent to invited guests in the organization, and Tomáš Popela planned to
   attempt recreating the meeting for the following week to resolve this issue.
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Secretary Note-Taking Process and Reliance on AI: Nieves Montero
   Fernandez inquired about their role in taking notes, and Tomáš Popela
   explained that the Gemini AI tool is taking the notes, but the secretary is
   expected to review and correct the notes afterward, especially to fix
   incorrectly identified names. Michael Catanzaro offered to manually send
   the notes to Nieves Montero Fernandez following the meeting and suggested
   trusting the AI for the current week, but acknowledged they might need to
   revert to manual notes next week if the process is unsuccessful.
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Reviving the Fedora 45 Planning Calendar and Call for Changes: Tomáš
   Popela brought up the need to revive the Workstation planning calendar,
   which helps track necessary scheduled items for releases like Fedora (FA)
   45, as this task had been neglected. The first item on the calendar for the
   day was a call for Workstation changes planned for Fedora 45, intended to
   identify big changes or features that should be enabled or re-enabled in
   Rawhide for additional testing during the development phase.
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Proposed Feature Changes for Fedora 45: Matthias Clasen mentioned two
   specific items for Fedora 45 planning: the agreed-upon change of replacing
   Log-Kitting with O7, and retiring `dbus-daemon` and replacing it with
   `dbus-broker`. Matthias Clasen also mentioned they hope to have session
   saving support fully implemented by the fall, which could be advertised in
   the next release. Luigi Pavan raised the topic of Flatpak filtering, which
   they noted is currently blocked on changes to the GNOME Software
   application's preferences dialog.
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Discussion of Flatpak Filtering Implementation Timeline: Michael
   Catanzaro clarified that while Alan Day and Milan are planning to work on
   the GNOME Software configuration changes, no one is currently working on
   the actual implementation of the Flatpak filter itself. Luigi Pavan
   expressed willingness to work on the filter and sought confirmation on an
   expected timeline, as they believe the filter implementation could start
   before the GNOME Software changes land. Michael Catanzaro confirmed they
   can proceed with the implementation now, but politically they must respect
   the agreement to ship the filter configuration capability in the same
   release as the filter, accepting that the release may be delayed if the
   configuration is not ready.
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Negative Feedback on Missing Log Out Button: Matthias Clasen brought up
   the negative feedback received around the Fedora 40 release regarding the
   disappearance of the Log Out button, which Alan Day was unaware of. Michael
   Catanzaro confirmed there have been several complaints, explaining that the
   GNOME Shell does not display the Log Out option in the system status menu
   if the system has only one human user account and one available desktop
   session. Allan Day offered to look into the issue.
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General Desktop Negative Feedback and Micro Stutters: Neal Gompa (Conan
   Kudo) noted that there has been more concentrated negative feedback
   regarding the disabling of middle-click paste than the Log Out button
   issue. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) also highlighted recurrent complaints about
   missing application indicator functionality and issues with fractional
   scaling, as well as micro stutters in applications like Google Chrome.
   Michael Catanzaro suggested the stuttering issue, which affects the entire
   desktop, is likely GPU related, and recommended trying Chrome's hidden
   config flags to disable GPU usage for debugging.
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Request for System Monitor Keyboard Shortcut: Tomáš Popela introduced a
   new business item concerning a request for a keyboard shortcut to launch
   the system monitor, following the previous discussion about adding a
   shortcut for the terminal. They noted that the upstream position, shared by
   internally by Jack, was to allow terminal launching to be the only such
   exception. Allan Day suggested differentiating whether this is a
   theoretical request or an actual need, noting that the System Monitor is
   more complex than a simple task manager used historically on Windows for
   killing unresponsive apps.
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Decision on System Monitor Shortcut Request: Michael Catanzaro suggested
   it would be better to add the capability to set a shortcut without actually
   setting one, to avoid multiple requests for specific apps like System
   Monitor. Tomáš Popela asked if they should defer to upstream, and Michael
   Catanzaro stated that the request is not important enough for a downstream
   schema override. Allan Day agreed to comment on the upstream issue to
   suggest keeping shortcuts limited to a small set of frequently used small
   utilities, and Tomáš Popela will comment on the Fedora issue deferring to
   upstream.
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Anaconda Keyboard Configuration Support for Live Session: Tomáš Popela
   inquired about the status of issue 511, requesting support for a keyboard
   configuration for the Anaconda online environment, which Tomáš Popela
   suspected should be assigned to Michael Catanzaro. Michael Catanzaro
   confirmed awareness of the issue, which they described as tricky, and noted
   that previous attempts at using `localectl` proved insufficient. Michael
   Catanzaro plans to try resurrecting patches to move language and keyboard
   layout selection to before launching the live desktop, with the goal of
   avoiding redundancy by asking the user only once and propagating the
   settings through the installation process.
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Final Reminders and Closing: Matthias Clasen offered a small reminder
   that they will be traveling the following week and will miss the Tuesday
   meeting, but will be at the Linux Application Summit (LAS) and might have a
   trip report in two weeks. Matthias Clasen also mentioned that the group was
   discussed on This Week in GNOME (TWIG) in the context of the backporting
   policy.