Two questions / bugs / issues with Fedora 17 Desktop, minor but kinda important for user experience

[Elad Alfassa]

1) who decided that system-config-date is to be installed by default and
given the confusing (for new users) system-config-date as a name in the
menu?
> From IRC: 
<adamw> elad661: it's called
'system-config-date' because it was previously
called Date and Time. see the problem with that?
<elad661> yes, I do
<elad661> but I think we could either remove it (since gnome's control
panel provides the functionality) or find a better name.
<elad661> we probably need it for firstboot, so removing the desktop file
might be a good idea

2) why is "remote desktop viewer" installed by default? I thought gnome
boxes provides this functionality now.


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-Elad Alfassa.

[Matthias Clasen]

On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 19:30 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote:
>  1) who decided that system-config-date is to be installed by default
>  and given the confusing (for new users) system-config-date as a name
>  in the menu?
>  From IRC:
>  <adamw> elad661: it's called 'system-config-date' because it was
>  previously called Date and Time. see the problem with that?
>  <elad661> yes, I do
>  <elad661> but I think we could either remove it (since gnome's control
>  panel provides the functionality) or find a better name.
>  <elad661> we probably need it for firstboot, so removing the desktop
>  file might be a good idea 
In my opinion, the search-based shell overview makes this kind of
redundancy less problematic than it was in a traditional menu system.
But yes, it is a bit of a wart that anaconda and its dependencies end up
on the installed system when installing from a live-cd.

>  2) why is "remote desktop viewer" installed by default? I
> thought
>  gnome boxes provides this functionality now. 
Does it actually provide this functionality now ? Have you tried ? I
know that the goal is to eventually support it, but I am not positive
that the feature will be in 3.4 / F17.


Matthias

[Florian Müllner]

On jue, 2012-03-15 at 17:09 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>  On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 19:30 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote:
>  > 2) why is "remote desktop viewer" installed by default? I thought
>  > gnome boxes provides this functionality now.
>  
>  Does it actually provide this functionality now ? Have you tried ? 
It does indeed, I did a fun test with vnc://localhost a while ago ...


Florian

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:09 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>  On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 19:30 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote:
>  > 1) who decided that system-config-date is to be installed by default
>  > and given the confusing (for new users) system-config-date as a name
>  > in the menu?
>  > From IRC:
>  > <adamw> elad661: it's called 'system-config-date' because it was
>  > previously called Date and Time. see the problem with that?
>  > <elad661> yes, I do
>  > <elad661> but I think we could either remove it (since gnome's control
>  > panel provides the functionality) or find a better name.
>  > <elad661> we probably need it for firstboot, so removing the desktop
>  > file might be a good idea
>  
>  In my opinion, the search-based shell overview makes this kind of
>  redundancy less problematic than it was in a traditional menu system. 
well, when you search for 'date' or 'time' you get both options, and
there's really no indication which you should go for. In fact, most
people would probably pick s-c-d because it gets shown ahead of GNOME's
applet.
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