Installing the Big Board part of online desktop

[Colin Walters]

Hi,

One thing we've been working on lately here on the Mugshot team is 
prototyping part of what an "online desktop" would be.
For more information about the ideas behind the project, see Havoc's 
blog entry:

http://log.ometer.com/2007-04.html#3

If you'd like to try out the Big Board mentioned in that entry, see this 
wiki page:

http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Big_Board

There are Fedora Core 6 RPMs available, with instructions on the page.  
You can also compile/install from source
of course.  I'm presently working on submitting some of the prerequisite 
RPMs to Fedora
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=235741), if 
someone out there is an RPM expert and could
take a look at the pacakges that would rock.

Let us know what you think!

One important known bug worth mentioning here is currently it doesn't 
work correctly with Compiz:
http://bugzilla.mugshot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1201

[Rahul Sundaram]

Colin Walters wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  One thing we've been working on lately here on the Mugshot team is 
>  prototyping part of what an "online desktop" would be.
>  For more information about the ideas behind the project, see Havoc's 
>  blog entry:
>  
>  http://log.ometer.com/2007-04.html#3
>  
>  If you'd like to try out the Big Board mentioned in that entry, see this 
>  wiki page:
>  
>  http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Big_Board
>  
>  There are Fedora Core 6 RPMs available, with instructions on the page.  
>  You can also compile/install from source
>  of course.  I'm presently working on submitting some of the prerequisite 
>  RPMs to Fedora
>  (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=235741), if 
>  someone out there is an RPM expert and could
>  take a look at the pacakges that would rock.
>  
>  Let us know what you think! 
Installed bigboard from the repo file on Fedora Core 6. The side bar on 
the left says "sign in to Mugshot" on three places (On top, below 
applications, below photos) even though I am already signed in and 
running.  Clicking on it doesn't work. Here is the command line output. 
If you need more info let me know.


#bigboard


Data Dir: /usr/share/deskbar-applet
Handlers Dir: ['/home/sundaram/.gnome2/deskbar-applet/handlers', 
'/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers']
Binding Global shortcut <Alt>F3 to focus the deskbar
Set entry width: 20
Layout changed to 1
Changing UI to: Entriac
Introspect error: The name org.mugshot.Mugshot was not provided by any 
.service files
Introspect error: The name org.mugshot.Mugshot was not provided by any 
.service files
Loading module 'del.icio.us Bookmarks' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/desklicious.py.
Loading module 'Beagle' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/beagle-static.py.
***
*** The file /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/galeon.py 
(GaleonBookmarksHandler) decided to not load itself: Galeon is not your 
preferred browser, not using it.
***
Loading module 'Mail (Address Book)' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/evolution.py.
***
*** The file /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/galago.py (GalagoHandler) 
decided to not load itself: Waiting for python bindings of galago. 
Should allow to send IM by typing name.
***
Loading module 'Recent Documents' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/recent.py.
Loading module 'History' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/history.py.
Loading module 'Fedora Bugzilla Entries' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/fedorabz.py.
Loading module 'Web' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/web_address.py.
Error loading the file: /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/gdmactions.py.
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/deskbar/ModuleLoader.py", line 
91, in import_module
     mod = pydoc.importfile (filename)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/pydoc.py", line 237, in importfile
     raise ErrorDuringImport(path, sys.exc_info())
ErrorDuringImport: problem in 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/gdmactions.py - ImportError: No module 
named gdmclient
Loading module 'Web Searches' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/mozilla.py.
Loading module 'Web History' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/mozilla.py.
Loading module 'Web Bookmarks' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/mozilla.py.
Loading module 'Files and Folders Search' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/programs.py.
Loading module 'Dictionary' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/programs.py.
Loading module 'Developer Documentation' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/programs.py.
Error:load_icon:Icon Load Error:Icon 'devhelp' not present in theme (or 
Icon 'devhelp' not present in theme)
Loading module 'Programs' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/programs.py.
***
*** The file /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/epiphany.py 
(EpiphanyBookmarksHandler) decided to not load itself: Epiphany is not 
your preferred browser, not using it.
***
***
*** The file /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/google-live.py 
(GoogleLiveHandler) decided to not load itself: You need to install the 
SOAPpy python module.
***
***
*** The file /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/beagle-live.py 
(BeagleLiveHandler) decided to not load itself: Could not load beagle, 
libbeagle has been compiled without python bindings:No module named beagle
***
Loading module 'Window Switcher' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/iswitch-window.py.
Error:load_icon:Icon Load Error:Icon 'panel-window-menu' not present in 
theme (or Icon 'panel-window-menu.png' not present in theme)
Loading module 'Yahoo! Search' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/yahoo.py.
Loading module 'Files, Folders and Places' from file 
/usr/lib/deskbar-applet/handlers/files.py.
Initializing History
Initializing Programs
Initializing Mail (Address Book)
Error while initializing Mail (Address Book). Requirements not met.
You need to enable autocomplete in your mail preferences
Initializing Web
Initializing Files, Folders and Places
Initializing Web Bookmarks
Initializing Web Searches
Stopping History
Stopping Web
Stopping Files, Folders and Places
Stopping Web Searches
Initializing Yahoo! Search
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bigboard/stock.py", line 101, 
in <lambda>
     self.__signin.connect("button-press-event", lambda signin, event: 
self.__on_signin_press())
   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bigboard/stock.py", line 154, 
in __on_signin_press
     baseurl = self._mugshot.get_baseurl()
   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bigboard/mugshot.py", line 
229, in get_baseurl
     return self.__get_baseprop('baseurl')
   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bigboard/mugshot.py", line 
226, in __get_baseprop
     return self.__baseprops[name]
TypeError: unsubscriptable object

Rahul

[Colin Walters]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Installed bigboard from the repo file on Fedora Core 6. The side bar
>
>  on the left says "sign in to Mugshot" on three places (On top, below 
>  applications, below photos) even though I am already signed in and 
>  running. 
Are you running the Mugshot client, in addition to being signed into the 
web site?
>  Introspect error: The name org.mugshot.Mugshot was not provided by
> any 
>  .service files
>  Introspect error: The name org.mugshot.Mugshot was not provided by any 
>  .service files 
This error seems to suggest it is not running.  Try executing
'mugshot' 
from a command launcher.
Or perhaps you are using a very old version?
>    File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bigboard/mugshot.py", line 
>  226, in __get_baseprop
>      return self.__baseprops[name]
>  TypeError: unsubscriptable object 
Yeah, I see now how this bug would occur if the
client was not running.  
We should handle this
better in the near future; Havoc is doing some work to ensure that Big 
Board can talk to the Mugshot
server without requiring the Mugshot client UI (with the notifications).

[Rahul Sundaram]

Colin Walters wrote:
>  Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Installed bigboard from the repo file on Fedora Core 6. The side bar 
> > on the left says "sign in to Mugshot" on three places (On top, below 
> > applications, below photos) even though I am already signed in and 
> > running.
>  Are you running the Mugshot client, in addition to being signed into the 
>  web site? 
Yes. Is there a way to automatically sign in on the website when running 
the mugshot client?

> > Introspect error: The name org.mugshot.Mugshot was not provided
> by any 
> > .service files
> > Introspect error: The name org.mugshot.Mugshot was not provided by any 
> > .service files
>  This error seems to suggest it is not running.  Try executing 'mugshot' 
>  from a command launcher.
>  Or perhaps you are using a very old version? 
mugshot-1.1.33-1.fc6. Mugshot frontpage or my profile pages don't show 
any prominent links to download the new client. The client download page 
linked from the developer wiki page has outdated packages at 
http://download.mugshot.org/client/fedora-core-6/. Automatic prompt at 
http://mugshot.org/upgrade?platform=linux does point to the latest 
version though. There is no quit option in the client either. Killed the 
older version and I am running 1.1.40-1 now.  It works.  I will play it 
with some more and provide feedback.

As I said in FUDCon Boston  binary patches like Firefox (without root 
password) would be nice but I am probably dreaming. Having it the repo 
is a workaround.


Rahul

[Colin Walters]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Yes. Is there a way to automatically sign in on the website when 
>  running the mugshot client? 
Basically the client picks up cookies from firefox; if
you're signed in 
on the website you should be on
the client.  The only caveat is signing out on the web site right now 
does not sign you out on the client.
>  mugshot-1.1.33-1.fc6. Mugshot frontpage or my profile pages don't
> show 
>  any prominent links to download the new client. The client download 
>  page linked from the developer wiki page has outdated packages at 
>  http://download.mugshot.org/client/fedora-core-6/. Automatic prompt at 
>  http://mugshot.org/upgrade?platform=linux does point to the latest 
>  version though.  
Ah ok, so this was the real problem. 
>  There is no quit option in the client either.  
There should be
in the latest version on right click, though there might 
not have been in the earlier version.
>  Killed the older version and I am running 1.1.40-1 now.  It works.  I
>
>  will play it with some more and provide feedback. 
Cool!
>  As I said in FUDCon Boston  binary patches like Firefox (without root
>
>  password) would be nice but I am probably dreaming. Having it the repo 
>  is a workaround. 
Just talked with Owen and I think we're going to ensure
compatibility 
and turn on the bits that get it pushed into the main Fedora repository, 
so the upgrade
issue should mostly go away.

[Nicu Buculei]

Colin Walters wrote:
>  
>  If you'd like to try out the Big Board mentioned in that entry, see this 
>  wiki page:
>  
>  http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Big_Board
>  
>  Let us know what you think! 
It have a few annoying things (which I believe you are aware already):
- on the wiki you recommend starting it by typing "bigboard" at a 
command prompt, unfortunaely, bigboard will not launch in the background 
(not even using "bigboard &") and if you close the terminal, also the 
application is closed. A better way is to press Alt+F2 to gett the Gnome 
"run" dialog and type "bigboard" there, but this leave you without a
way 
to close the application.
- if I talked about application close, is there a way to close the app 
without killing it? I didn't saw a "close" button.
- another annoying thing is the window placement: bigboard is not the 
single most important item on the desktop to have it in the top-left 
corner of the screen, so it would be useful if it allowed me to drag the 
panel to the right border of the screen.

With those said, I noticed a minor problem (which again, I think you are 
already aware): having bigboard open, I went to my mugshot profile, 
noticed the addition to picassaweb to account settings and configured 
it. Bigboard noticed this addition to my profile only after a restart.

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[Colin Walters]

Nicu Buculei wrote:
>  Colin Walters wrote:
> >
> > If you'd like to try out the Big Board mentioned in that entry, see 
> > this wiki page:
> >
> > http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Big_Board
> >
> > Let us know what you think!
>
>  It have a few annoying things (which I believe you are aware already):
>  - on the wiki you recommend starting it by typing "bigboard" at a 
>  command prompt, unfortunaely, bigboard will not launch in the 
>  background (not even using "bigboard &") and if you close the 
>  terminal, also the application is closed. A better way is to press 
>  Alt+F2 to gett the Gnome "run" dialog and type "bigboard" there, 
Excellent suggestion, I'd honestly forgotten about Alt-F2.  I updated 
the wiki.

>  but this leave you without a way to close the application.
>  - if I talked about application close, is there a way to close the app 
>  without killing it? I didn't saw a "close" button. 
Well I can see two kinds of "close":
  - "I want all my screen space, but I like using bigboard."  For this 
case ideally the "small mode" is good enough, but
    we might also have an option to minimize to a tray icon?
  - "This app sucks, never show me again".  At this experimental stage, 
I think the recommendation will just be Alt-F2
     then "xkill", click on bigboard.  Longer term where the big board 
is only part of all the changes to "online desktop mode",
     I think we'll have a global control somewhere.

>  - another annoying thing is the window placement: bigboard is not the
>
>  single most important item on the desktop to have it in the top-left 
>  corner of the screen, so it would be useful if it allowed me to drag 
>  the panel to the right border of the screen. 
Added this to the to-do on the wiki.

>  With those said, I noticed a minor problem (which again, I think you
>
>  are already aware): having bigboard open, I went to my mugshot 
>  profile, noticed the addition to picassaweb to account settings and 
>  configured it. Bigboard noticed this addition to my profile only after 
>  a restart.
>  
This used to work but was kind of hackish; it no longer does.  
Definitely an important bug to fix because it basically affects everything.

[Valent Turkovic]

On 4/19/07, Colin Walters <walters(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  One thing we've been working on lately here on the Mugshot team is
>  prototyping part of what an "online desktop" would be.
>  For more information about the ideas behind the project, see Havoc's
>  blog entry:
>
>  http://log.ometer.com/2007-04.html#3
>
>  If you'd like to try out the Big Board mentioned in that entry, see this
>  wiki page:
>
>  http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Big_Board 
http://download.mugshot.org/extras/bigboard/bigboard.repo


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Can you please fix the issue or the bad link because I can't wait to
test BigBoard - looks like fabulous project !

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