Gnome/classical disabled

[Peter Laursen]

I upgraded to Fedora 21 GA/final.

With the beta/RC I used the Gnome/classical desktop. I just wanted to login
once to the new Gnome desktop to see if it had changed as compared to the
beta/RC.  After doing so I don't have the option to use the classical Gnome
desktop anymore.

Is this intentional? If so I hope that an xfce build will be available
soon.  I have no interest in anything else in the Desktop interface than
what provides me quick acces to the programs I have installed (and grouped
by categories).  The new Gnome desktop does not and my installed programs
are spread over 5½ pages/screens here.

But maybe what was the intention was to disable the Wayland option (since
it did not work) and the classical Gnome interface was also disabled in the
process and by mistake?


-- 
Hilsen / Regards

Peter Laursen

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 12/09/2014 03:02 PM, Peter Laursen wrote:
>  The new Gnome desktop does not and my installed programs are spread
> over 5½
>  pages/screens here. 
What's wrong with typing your program name to find/start it?

What's wrong with adding your most-used programs as favorites?

(I do not desire to start a DE debate with this e-mail, so please only answer 
these questions.)

[Peter Laursen]

Why should I answer your questions, when you don't answer mine?

But ayway: because that is not how I want to work with my computer. The
desktop interface is competely irrelevant to me.  I just want to open
programs.  I want a menu with programs ordered by categories. Other people
can do as they want. Personal preferences are not subject to
discussion. Besides I sometimes forget the program names. But if a category
has listed 10-20 programs, I will find fast and easy (in seconds - not
minutes) what I am looking for.
.
I asked if this was an *intentional move* with the GA release or a
mistake.  If it was intentional, I cannot use Fedora. It simply wastes too
much time for me. Unless an xfce, lxde, cinnamon etc. desktop will be
available soon.

-- Peter

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Michael Cronenworth <mike(a)cchtml.com&gt;
wrote:

>  On 12/09/2014 03:02 PM, Peter Laursen wrote:
>
> > The new Gnome desktop does not and my installed programs are spread over
> > 5½
> > pages/screens here.
> >
>
>  What's wrong with typing your program name to find/start it?
>
>  What's wrong with adding your most-used programs as favorites?
>
>  (I do not desire to start a DE debate with this e-mail, so please only
>  answer these questions.)
>  --
>  desktop mailing list
>  desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop 



-- 
Hilsen / Regards

Peter Laursen

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 10:42:36PM +0100, Peter Laursen wrote:
>  But ayway: because that is not how I want to work with my computer.
> The
>  desktop interface is competely irrelevant to me.  I just want to open
>  programs.  I want a menu with programs ordered by categories. Other people
>  can do as they want. Personal preferences are not subject to
>  discussion. Besides I sometimes forget the program names. But if a category
>  has listed 10-20 programs, I will find fast and easy (in seconds - not
>  minutes) what I am looking for. 
Just as an aside, the search works on descriptions too, so searching
for the category or a descriptive word will also work.

Alternately, if this is your main gripe with Gnome 3, enable the
Applications Menu extension. Install gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu if
you don't have it, run tweak tool, turn it on. Or go to
<https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/>;, accept
the permissions, and hit the switch to turn it on, which will download
it into your home directory.


>  I asked if this was an *intentional move* with the GA release or a
>  mistake.  If it was intentional, I cannot use Fedora. It simply wastes too
>  much time for me. Unless an xfce, lxde, cinnamon etc. desktop will be
>  available soon. 
I think it's neither an intentional move *nor* a mistake. (Why assume
either, really?) Something else is wrong. It shows up on my
freshly-installed system just fine. Do you have gnome-classic-session
installed? If not, `sudo dnf install gnome-classic-session`.

Also, the other desktops are available *now*. Something is up with the
spins website (when I looked in, it was being worked on), but you can
download the livecds directly at
<https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Live/x86_...

Or just install the package groups.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Peter Laursen]

I had it installed and used it with the beta/RC for the last 2 weeks ,but
it disappeared after upgrade to GA/final and after openng the new Gnome
interface once. If I choose the 'classic'  option from the login screen
then the system just goes back to the login screen. And next time there is
no ('gearwheel') selector.


-- Peter

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 10:42:36PM +0100, Peter Laursen wrote:
>  > But ayway: because that is not how I want to work with my computer. The
>  > desktop interface is competely irrelevant to me.  I just want to open
>  > programs.  I want a menu with programs ordered by categories. Other
>  people
>  > can do as they want. Personal preferences are not subject to
>  > discussion. Besides I sometimes forget the program names. But if a
>  category
>  > has listed 10-20 programs, I will find fast and easy (in seconds - not
>  > minutes) what I am looking for.
>
>  Just as an aside, the search works on descriptions too, so searching
>  for the category or a descriptive word will also work.
>
>  Alternately, if this is your main gripe with Gnome 3, enable the
>  Applications Menu extension. Install gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu if
>  you don't have it, run tweak tool, turn it on. Or go to
>  <https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/>;, accept
>  the permissions, and hit the switch to turn it on, which will download
>  it into your home directory.
>
>
>  > I asked if this was an *intentional move* with the GA release or a
>  > mistake.  If it was intentional, I cannot use Fedora. It simply wastes
>  too
>  > much time for me. Unless an xfce, lxde, cinnamon etc. desktop will be
>  > available soon.
>
>  I think it's neither an intentional move *nor* a mistake. (Why assume
>  either, really?) Something else is wrong. It shows up on my
>  freshly-installed system just fine. Do you have gnome-classic-session
>  installed? If not, `sudo dnf install gnome-classic-session`.
>
>  Also, the other desktops are available *now*. Something is up with the
>  spins website (when I looked in, it was being worked on), but you can
>  download the livecds directly at
>  <
>  https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Live/x86_64/
>  >
>
>  Or just install the package groups.
>
>  --
>  Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
>  --
>  desktop mailing list
>  desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
>  


-- 
Hilsen / Regards

Peter Laursen

[Peter Laursen]

Hmmm .after a reboot, I can login with classical interface again.  No idea
what happened.

But sorry for the noise!



-- Peter

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Peter Laursen <jazcyk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  I had it installed and used it with the beta/RC for the last 2 weeks
> ,but
>  it disappeared after upgrade to GA/final and after openng the new Gnome
>  interface once. If I choose the 'classic'  option from the login screen
>  then the system just goes back to the login screen. And next time there is
>  no ('gearwheel') selector.
>
>
>  -- Peter
>
>  On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 10:42:36PM +0100, Peter Laursen wrote:
> > > But ayway: because that is not how I want to work with my computer. The
> > > desktop interface is competely irrelevant to me.  I just want to open
> > > programs.  I want a menu with programs ordered by categories. Other
> > people
> > > can do as they want. Personal preferences are not subject to
> > > discussion. Besides I sometimes forget the program names. But if a
> > category
> > > has listed 10-20 programs, I will find fast and easy (in seconds - not
> > > minutes) what I am looking for.
> >
> > Just as an aside, the search works on descriptions too, so searching
> > for the category or a descriptive word will also work.
> >
> > Alternately, if this is your main gripe with Gnome 3, enable the
> > Applications Menu extension. Install gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu if
> > you don't have it, run tweak tool, turn it on. Or go to
> > <https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/>;, accept
> > the permissions, and hit the switch to turn it on, which will download
> > it into your home directory.
> >
> >
> > > I asked if this was an *intentional move* with the GA release or a
> > > mistake.  If it was intentional, I cannot use Fedora. It simply wastes
> > too
> > > much time for me. Unless an xfce, lxde, cinnamon etc. desktop will be
> > > available soon.
> >
> > I think it's neither an intentional move *nor* a mistake. (Why assume
> > either, really?) Something else is wrong. It shows up on my
> > freshly-installed system just fine. Do you have gnome-classic-session
> > installed? If not, `sudo dnf install gnome-classic-session`.
> >
> > Also, the other desktops are available *now*. Something is up with the
> > spins website (when I looked in, it was being worked on), but you can
> > download the livecds directly at
> > <
> > https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Live/x86_64/
> > >
> >
> > Or just install the package groups.
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Miller
> > <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > Fedora Project Leader
> > --
> > desktop mailing list
> > desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
> >
>
>
>
>  --
>  Hilsen / Regards
>
>  Peter Laursen
>  


-- 
Hilsen / Regards

Peter Laursen

[drago01]

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Peter Laursen <jazcyk(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I upgraded to Fedora 21 GA/final.
>
>  With the beta/RC I used the Gnome/classical desktop. I just wanted to login
>  once to the new Gnome desktop to see if it had changed as compared to the
>  beta/RC.  After doing so I don't have the option to use the classical Gnome
>  desktop anymore.
>
>  Is this intentional? If so I hope that an xfce build will be available soon.
>  I have no interest in anything else in the Desktop interface than what
>  provides me quick acces to the programs I have installed (and grouped by
>  categories).  The new Gnome desktop does not and my installed programs are
>  spread over 5½ pages/screens here.
>
>  But maybe what was the intention was to disable the Wayland option (since it
>  did not work) and the classical Gnome interface was also disabled in the
>  process and by mistake? 
No it is supposed to be there ... do you have the classic extension installed?