Call for agenda: Workstation WG meeting 2016-09-28

[Paul W. Frields]

The Workstation WG meeting will be held Wednesday 2016-09-28 at
11:00am EDT (1500 UTC).

The agenda looks a little light at the moment; I may have missed
something obvious while working on other things.  Corrections and
additions are gratefully accepted:

* GNOME 3.22 crashes (Shell, webkitgtk4, other?)

* Talking points completion for Final needed
	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_talking_points#Fedora_Workstation


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[Chris Murphy]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  The Workstation WG meeting will be held Wednesday 2016-09-28 at
>  11:00am EDT (1500 UTC).
>
>  The agenda looks a little light at the moment; I may have missed
>  something obvious while working on other things.  Corrections and
>  additions are gratefully accepted:
>
>  * GNOME 3.22 crashes (Shell, webkitgtk4, other?)
>
>  * Talking points completion for Final needed
>          https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_talking_points#Fedora_Workstation


More of a food for thought and heads up than anything urgent or
needing a decision.

Cloud folks are looking to change atomic host deliverables from using
LVM thinly provisioned storage for containers, to overlayfs (and XFS),
for Fedora 26 [1]. The summary is:

- Overlayfs instead of dm-thin, continue to use XFS [2]
- Installer default partitioning changes needed
- Workstation may want to do the same thing

My take is to mimic what the cloud folks do, it'll make it easier to
do the installer change; easier to explain to anyone who cares about
such details; the test coverage will be broader.

What makes Workstation different down the road though, are upgrades.
How, and whether, conventional installs are converted @ upgrade time
to rpm-ostree based installs. So there may be a way to settle on a new
layout that works well for both conventional and rpm-ostree installs,
so that it's easier to do conversions at upgrade time, if that's a
plausible use case in the distant and shiny future.


[1]
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...

[2]
The Docker device mapper storage driver uses XFS as the backing file
system on thinly provisioned storage; so this would be a file system
change for Workstation. It is possible to use ext4 on overlayfs, but
there's some eye glazing considerations about inodes, and such, that
you can ignore for now.

-- 
Chris Murphy

[Jan Kurik]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  The Workstation WG meeting will be held Wednesday 2016-09-28 at
>  11:00am EDT (1500 UTC).
>
>  The agenda looks a little light at the moment; I may have missed
>  something obvious while working on other things.  Corrections and
>  additions are gratefully accepted:
>
>  * GNOME 3.22 crashes (Shell, webkitgtk4, other?)
>
>  * Talking points completion for Final needed
>          https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_talking_points#Fedora_Workstation
I would like to ask the WG to agree, during the meeting, on the way
how OSTree image is going to be delivered in F25/F26 ? My proposal is
stated in
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]...
. Once I will have an agreement from the WG I can open a ticket to
FESCo to approve.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Jan

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