Remove Gnome desktop on F18 ?

Hi,

I'm curious, if it's a possibility to remove entirely GNOME 3 from F18.

I've tried via '# yum groupremove GNOME\ Desktop' but it looked like it
wants to wipe out whole system, because it ended with:


...
--> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes.
--> Running transaction check
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Trying to remove "systemd", which is protected
Error: Trying to remove "yum", which is protected

So the question is, how can I remove Gnome-shell (with all
dependencies) ?

Regards,

---
Jozef

[Bill Nottingham]

Jozef Zigmund (jzigmund(a)redhat.com) said: 
>  Hi,
>  
>  I'm curious, if it's a possibility to remove entirely GNOME 3 from F18.
>  
>  I've tried via '# yum groupremove GNOME\ Desktop' but it looked like it
>  wants to wipe out whole system, because it ended with:
>  
>  
>  ...
>  --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes.
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Trying to remove "systemd", which is protected
>  Error: Trying to remove "yum", which is protected
>  
>  So the question is, how can I remove Gnome-shell (with all
>  dependencies) ? 
'GNOME Desktop' is the full gnome environment, from the base OS
all the way up through X and gnome. You might want to try 'gnome-desktop'.
(And yeah, that's a little confusing.)

Bill

On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 10:35 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  Jozef Zigmund (jzigmund(a)redhat.com) said: 
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > I'm curious, if it's a possibility to remove entirely GNOME 3 from F18.
>  > 
>  > I've tried via '# yum groupremove GNOME\ Desktop' but it looked like it
>  > wants to wipe out whole system, because it ended with:
>  > 
>  > 
>  > ...
>  > --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes.
>  > --> Running transaction check
>  > --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  > Error: Trying to remove "systemd", which is protected
>  > Error: Trying to remove "yum", which is protected
>  > 
>  > So the question is, how can I remove Gnome-shell (with all
>  > dependencies) ?
>  
>  'GNOME Desktop' is the full gnome environment, from the base OS
>  all the way up through X and gnome. You might want to try 'gnome-desktop'.
>  (And yeah, that's a little confusing.) 
Thank you, 'gnome-desktop' works fine, however if user types "# yum
groupremove 'gnome-desktop'" then he will get the same result as before.

But when he types '# yum remove @gnome-desktop', it will be removed
properly.

It's strange behavior for me, because you can find out that should be
the alternative for "group commands" in Fedora documentation [1].

[1]
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Software_Management_Gu...

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[Matthias Clasen]

On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 16:30 +0100, Jozef Zigmund wrote:

>  So the question is, how can I remove Gnome-shell (with all
>  dependencies) ? 
What Bill said, but you should be aware that gdm is using gnome-shell,
so you will have to find yourself a different display manager.

On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 13:42 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>  On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 16:30 +0100, Jozef Zigmund wrote:
>  
>  > So the question is, how can I remove Gnome-shell (with all
>  > dependencies) ?
>  
>  What Bill said, but you should be aware that gdm is using gnome-shell,
>  so you will have to find yourself a different display manager.
>   
Yeah I've realized it, I need it for VM and it's enough to have it like
"Minimal" installation w/o display manager. That's the reason why I
wanted to remove gnome-shell.

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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Freitag, den 08.02.2013, 16:30 +0100 schrieb Jozef Zigmund:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I'm curious, if it's a possibility to remove entirely GNOME 3 from F18.
>  
>  I've tried via '# yum groupremove GNOME\ Desktop' but it looked like it
>  wants to wipe out whole system, because it ended with: 
yum groupremove removes *all* packages inside a group - no matter if the
packages are really GNOME or even required by something else. Better use
'yum remove libgnome*'. Make sure to install any other environment you
want to use before removing GNOME. We have some dependencies that are
satisfied by multiple package and you first want to install the
replacement to not have to uninstall everything you want to continue
using later.

Kind regards,
Christoph

[drago01]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Am Freitag, den 08.02.2013, 16:30 +0100 schrieb Jozef Zigmund:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm curious, if it's a possibility to remove entirely GNOME 3 from F18.
> >
> > I've tried via '# yum groupremove GNOME\ Desktop' but it looked like it
> > wants to wipe out whole system, because it ended with:
>
>  yum groupremove removes *all* packages inside a group - no matter if the
>  packages are really GNOME or even required by something else. Better use
>  'yum remove libgnome*'. 
libgnome is no more in the GNOME3 world.

[Donald Buchan]

For what it's worth, under Fedora 17 I did:

yum groupremove "GNOME Desktop Environment"

However, as Christoph said, it removes all sorts of things that you
*might* want elsewhere.  Having gone through a similar process changing
gnome to XFCE on a centos box using really crappy box about a year ago,
one of the things I learned was to have the ssh server active on the
target machine, and a client machine that can ssh in.  Oh, and to do what
Christoph said, which is to install the desired desktop environment before
rebooting, but after removing the Gnome desktop.  Or at least to repeat
the "groupinstall" command for the new desktop environment.

>  Hi,
>
>  I'm curious, if it's a possibility to remove entirely GNOME 3 from F18.
>
>  I've tried via '# yum groupremove GNOME\ Desktop' but it looked like it
>  wants to wipe out whole system, because it ended with:
>
>
>  ...
>  --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes.
>  --> Running transaction check
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Trying to remove "systemd", which is protected
>  Error: Trying to remove "yum", which is protected
>
>  So the question is, how can I remove Gnome-shell (with all
>  dependencies) ?
>
>  Regards,
>
>  ---
>  Jozef
>
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[Ankur Sinha]

On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 19:26 -0500, Donald Buchan wrote:
>  yum groupremove "GNOME Desktop Environment" 
As far as I know, yum shell helps installing and removing other DEs

sudo yum shell
>  remove @gnome-desktop
>  install @cinnamon-desktop
>  ts list #have a look at the transaction set
>  ts run 
For some reason, groupremove "GNOME Desktop" tells me that no such group
is available, even though grouplist lists it. Not sure what's broken
there. 

(This is on an up to date F18 x86_64)
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On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 18:17 +1100, Ankur Sinha wrote:
>  On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 19:26 -0500, Donald Buchan wrote:
>  > yum groupremove "GNOME Desktop Environment"
>  
>  As far as I know, yum shell helps installing and removing other DEs
>  
>  sudo yum shell
>  > remove @gnome-desktop
>  > install @cinnamon-desktop
>  > ts list #have a look at the transaction set
>  > ts run
>  
>  For some reason, groupremove "GNOME Desktop" tells me that no such group
>  is available, even though grouplist lists it. Not sure what's broken
>  there.  
Yeah I didn't notice before, but it's the same for me.

# yum groupremove "GNOME Desktop"
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
No group named GNOME Desktop exists
...
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Trying to remove "systemd", which is protected
Error: Trying to remove "yum", which is protected

Anyway "yum remove @gnome-desktop" removes properly gnome-shell with all
dependencies.


>  
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Regards,

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