4:57 a.m.
What is the status of the MultiLiveCD,
that was being mooted last year.
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Frank Murphy
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5:40 a.m.
On 06/12/2011 03:27 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
What is the status of the MultiLiveCD,
that was being mooted last year.
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/releases/15/Multi/
Rahul
6:19 a.m.
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
What is the status of the MultiLiveCD,
that was being mooted last year.
We were able to work through all the technical issues with the
proposal, and Release Engineering has created Multi-Desktop LiveDVD
images for Fedora 15. They even auto-detect whether you're on an i386
or x86_64 platform, but of course you can override the automatic
selection. A big "thank you" goes out to Tom Callaway for rewriting
the script that generates the images, Dennis Gilmore for actually
getting the images created, and of course Christoph Wickert for
championing the idea.
The North American ambassadors have had some media created from those
images (and I was able to pick up a copy this weekend at South East
Linux Fest and watch it work), and I know that the European
ambassadors as in the process of ordering media as well. In short,
the Multi-Desktop LiveDVD is alive and working well.
In addition, we created a Multi-Install image that merged both the
i386 and x86_64 installation DVDs into a single disk image. I don't
remember whether or not the North American ambassadors had any of
these DVDs pressed, but I know the European ambassadors have ordered
some of these DVDs.
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Jared Smith
Fedora Project Leader
6:55 a.m.
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:19:23 +0200, Jared K. Smith wrote:
We were able to work through all the technical issues with the
proposal, and Release Engineering has created Multi-Desktop LiveDVD
images for Fedora 15. They even auto-detect whether you're on an i386
or x86_64 platform, but of course you can override the automatic
selection.
I was trying to push it since 2009:
[Fedora-livecd-list] auto-biarch (x86_64 + i686) LiveDVD patch + ISO
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-livecd-list/2009-June/msg00018.html
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Biarch_Spin
so when there exists now a releng-approved biarch spin why isn't the default
"Download" button on http://fedoraproject.org finally the biarch-autodetecting
spin? A biarch single-desktop download would be enough with under 2GB size.
Besides users benefits Fedora could get the x86_64 ebtter performance over
other distros in various magazine reviews this way.
Regards,
Jan
7:16 a.m.
On 06/12/2011 04:55 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
so when there exists now a releng-approved biarch spin why isn't
the default
"Download" button on http://fedoraproject.org finally the biarch-autodetecting
spin? A biarch single-desktop download would be enough with under 2GB size.
1GB USB flash storage often can be scavenged for no monetary cost.
2GB USB flash storage more often costs real money.
The capacity of a CD-R is 700MB, and there are still-very-usable
5-year-old boxes (even x86_64) that cannot boot from a USB "harddrive".
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7:21 a.m.
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:16:41 +0200, John Reiser wrote:
1GB USB flash storage often can be scavenged for no monetary cost.
2GB USB flash storage more often costs real money.
I got my 2GB flash for free, I do not find this 1GB<->2GB difference relevant,
the availability also differs according to country how the sizes increase.
The capacity of a CD-R is 700MB, and there are still-very-usable
5-year-old boxes (even x86_64) that cannot boot from a USB "harddrive".
Yes, there exist many old boxes. But the common machine today both downloads
and runs 2GB DVD/flash without any problem. I agree there still should be
CD-R 700MB 32bit ISO but it is enough to keep it under "More options >" for
those few old boxes. People running such old hardware are aware of it.
Thanks,
Jan
8:49 a.m.
Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
I was trying to push it since 2009:
[Fedora-livecd-list] auto-biarch (x86_64 + i686) LiveDVD patch + ISO
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-livecd-list/2009-June/msg00018.html
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Biarch_Spin
And we are very grateful for your work.
so when there exists now a releng-approved biarch spin why isn't
the default
"Download" button on http://fedoraproject.org finally the biarch-autodetecting
spin?
For various reasons:
* It is still a new technology and only got a very limited amount
of testing [1]. It was not tested during the release cycle at
all but only last minute. Making it default would IMHO be to
risky.
* Your biarch spin is a spin of it's own and was never approved by
the spins SIG. We said we would rather like to see a good tool
coming out of this than a spin of it's own. If something should
become default, it should be a biarch version of the desktop
live CD.
* Currently we don't have that, we only have a biarch
installeation DVD and the multi desktop spin. A biarch desktop
live media was not requested, produced or tested.
If you want biarch as the default, please
1. make it a F16 feature
2. get in touch with the different SIGs to discuss the size limit
and application selection. If we target a biarch desktop live,
we need to at least have the desktop SIG involved.
3. make sure it is available for all milestones, this means alpha,
beta and rc so it gets proper testing.
4. have a test day for it. I really like to see wider testing of
the images with bare metal hardware and not only virtualization.
A biarch single-desktop download would be enough with under 2GB size.
There were various attempts to change the limit of the default download,
but there never was agreement. If we target 2 GB, we should change the
application selection to come close to the limit but not only double 2
700 MB media. If we target 2 GB, people want to see e.g. LibreOffice on
the media.
IHMO biarch is nice for physical media but not for downloads:
As an ambassador I don't need to worry about the arch and only take the
biarch spin to an event. If I am to make media for production, say for a
media in a computer magazine, it is a clear benefit because I can server
all users. But as a user I usually know what I want and only want to
download what I need.
Ja, I really think you have done an awesome job and I appreciate your
work helped me with the multi desktop spin. However I am not sure if it
is already mature enough to become the default download or if this is a
good thing. But if you decide to make a feature of it for F16 I promise
to support you.
Regards,
Christoph
[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_15_Final_Multi_Boot_DVD
9:30 a.m.
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:49:18 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
* It is still a new technology and only got a very limited
amount
of testing [1]. It was not tested during the release cycle at
all but only last minute. Making it default would IMHO be to
risky.
It is true Fedora-15-Multi-* is (also) still not listed at:
http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options
If you want biarch as the default, please
1. make it a F16 feature
OK, I will try to.
4. have a test day for it. I really like to see wider testing
of
the images with bare metal hardware and not only virtualization.
I was asking how to test EFI but according to still NEW Bug 477035 (EFI BIOS
support in qemu) I see the only way is to test EFI on a bare metal hardware
during a test day.
But as a user I usually know what I want and only want to download
what
I need.
http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html says 60% of installations are still
i686. I do not believe there is 60% of old hardware and/or specific i686
compatibility needs (such as what I heard about the Adobe Flash plugin).
My idea is the problem may be the default image arch being provided.
Thanks,
Jan
9:35 p.m.
On Sunday, June 12, 2011 09:30:30 AM Jan Kratochvil wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:49:18 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> * It is still a new technology and only got a very limited amount
>
> of testing [1]. It was not tested during the release cycle at
> all but only last minute. Making it default would IMHO be to
> risky.
It is true Fedora-15-Multi-* is (also) still not listed at:
http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options
It is not something on the mirrors
or intended for download by users, in a
large part because it requires a dual layer DVD burner to use. It would be
putting a 3rd copy of most of the content on the mirrors which is too much to
ask from them. It is something thats intended for a small section of the
fedora universe. the use case of the images was for ambassadors to produce and
distribute at events.
Dennis
8:06 a.m.
On 12/06/11 12:19, Jared K. Smith wrote:
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Frank
Murphy<frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the status of the MultiLiveCD,
> that was being mooted last year.
We were able to work through all the technical issues with the
proposal, and Release Engineering has created Multi-Desktop LiveDVD
images for Fedora 15.
<snip>
So they are fully approved Fedora Images,
It may be possible for us to include in Freemedia then?
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Regards,
Frank Murphy
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Friend of Fedora
8:09 a.m.
Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 10:57 +0100 schrieb Frank Murphy:
What is the status of the MultiLiveCD, that was being mooted last
year.
It is available for download at
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/releases/15/Multi/
AFAIK the NA ambassadors have received their media already while EMEA is
waiting for the shipment from the company.
Regards,
Christoph
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