March 2008 - devel-announce - Fedora mailing-lists

Board public meeting, 2008-04-01 UTC 1800
by Paul W. Frields 31 Mar '08

31 Mar '08

Apologies for the late notice: The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Tuesday, 01 April 2008, at 1800 UTC on IRC Freenode. The public is invited to do the following: * Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation. This channel is read-only for non-Board members. * Join #fedora-board-public to discuss topics and post questions. This channel is read/write for everyone. We found that in the last meeting the Board members, by joining the #f-b-public channel, inadvertently drove some discussion away from the meeting logged in #f-b-meeting. This time around we will not join that channel, and rely entirely on our gracious moderator Max Spevack to direct questions to #f-b-meeting for us to answer. This routine should limit confusion and make sure our logs are useful to everyone. The first topic in the meeting, on which the Board will take questions, is the spin policy. We will have a short discussion and then open up for questions on that topic. After that, maybe 15-20 minutes total -- we'll move on to an open floor for other questions. The Board has set aside the first meeting of each month as a public "town hall" style meeting. We are hoping to do an audio-based meeting at some point in the near future when resources allow. We look forward to seeing you at the meeting. Paul W. Frields Chairman, Fedora Project Board Fedora Project Leader

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Outage Notification - 2008-03-29 08:49 UTC
by Toshio Kuratomi 29 Mar '08

29 Mar '08

There was an outage starting at 2008-03-29 8:49UTC, until ~ 2008-03-29 11:50 UTC To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d 'YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem Unaffected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Database DNS Mail Torrent Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/477 Reason for Outage: The xen host that koji is on rebooted last night. Please see ticket for post-mortem followup. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage.

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FUDCon Lodging
by Paul W. Frields 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

As the co-organizers for the North American FUDCon F10, the illustrious Max Spevack and I are trying to get a handle on our true hotel needs for the event. To that end, I’ve made a couple changes to the FUDCon planning page so we can gather information on who needs lodging for the show: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF10#Attendees PLEASE visit that page and add your information to the table of attendees. We’re asking who’s attending the Summit as a customer so we can weigh the logistics of using “shoulder dates”[1] at the Red Hat Summit-affiliated hotels to house our FUDCon attendees. There are a number of factors to consider, including but not limited to cost and convenience to the FUDCon location. We hope to have all hotel details and room blocks shortly. You can bank on more news the moment that happens. If you need to list your attendance as "tentative" or if you have special needs (or can offer lodging), please feel free to list that information as well. = = = = = [1] For people who don’t know, “shoulder dates” are dates surrounding a booked event, for which the hotel guarantees rooms at the event rate. Because of the business being brought in by the Summit, the hotel will offer the much lower Summit rates for up to three nights around the conference for people who extend their stays.

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Rawhide 20080328 Snapshot Released
by Jesse Keating 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

As part of our development schedule, we are releasing a snapshot of Rawhide in iso and Live form. We are releasing these via bittorrent only as it is a much lighter weight method to get bits out the door than to go through our mirroring system. If you cannot use bittorrent we apologize for the inconvenience. http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ has a section marked Rawhide-20080328-Snapshot with CDs, DVD, and Live torrents. The Live images were actually made from yesterday's rawhide as the attempt from today's rawhide overflowed the CD size. The CDs and DVDs were made with today's rawhide plus an updates.img inserted into them to resolve some known issues we found in testing this morning. Please us bugzilla to report any problems you find (after making sure that somebody else hasn't already reported the issues). The Beta release notes ( http://fedoraproject.org/en/f9-beta-relnotes ) still mostly apply. Thanks for all the testing! -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

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And now for something completely different...
by Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

Come one, come all, to the brand new Fedora Project's Python SIG's mailing list. Regardless of whether you are a newbie or a grizzled veteran, a Sunday dabbler or a hardcore hacker, or merely curious what this is all about, all are welcome. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-python-devel-list -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet(a)gmail.com>

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Fedora Development Process
by Jesse Keating 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Just an FYI, we are after Beta, which means we're after the Feature Freeze. That means the changes you bring to Fedora 9 now should be of bugfix nature, and not of new feature nature. We have a very tight schedule leading up to the final freeze, and every day counts. Any new instability brought in due to new features will be extremely frowned upon and may cause the project to slip the Fedora 9 release date, which is something I'm trying very hard to avoid. Please think twice before bringing new things into Fedora 9. If you really want to work on new feature stuff, please request an early F-9 branch so that you can work on the new stuff without breaking Fedora 9. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

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F9 Beta release announcement
by Jesse Keating 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Ah, spring... when a young penguin's fancy lightly turns to thoughts of... Beta testing! Yes, spring has sprung, and so has the Beta release of Fedora 9! The Beta release is the point at which we really want and need the wider community's help with testing. Beta is a point of much greater stability in Fedora's development branch, but some fixes continue to occur to improve usability, performance, and stability. This release is great for early adopters and Linux enthusiasts! The Fedora 9 Beta boots on the majority of systems, and gives you an idea of how the final Fedora 9 will look and feel. Most importantly, we absolutely need community assistance to check features and provide feedback and bug reports, to help ensure that Fedora 9 is our best release ever. Some highlights of Fedora 9 Beta: * GNOME 2.22, with new features like a helpful world time clock, better file system performance, security improvements, power management at the login screen, the ability to dynamically configure displays, better Bluetooth integration, improved podcast support, and many other enhancements * KDE 4.0.2, which includes a brand new desktop and panel with many new concepts, integrated desktop search, a brand new visual style called Oxygen, a new multimedia API called Phonon, and a new hardware integration framework called Solid -- all integrated by Fedora's KDE SIG * Firefox 3 Beta 5, featuring a native look and feel, desktop integration, the new Places that replaces bookmarks, and a reworked address bar * Support for resizing ext2, ext3 and NTFS partitions during install * Support for creating and installing to encrypted filesystems * PackageKit, a cross-distribution package management solution with a complete yum backend, designed to unify different distributions' software management with the latest technologies * Kernel 2.6.25-rc5 And numerous other improvements and enhancements. The full release notes are available at: http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes Getting it: =========== The Beta release is available through the following download methods: * (recommended) BitTorrent, an efficient and easy distributed file-sharing system * Jigdo, an alternative system that reduces download size in some situations, or for people who can't use BitTorrent * direct download from a mirror location near you To download, visit: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease More Information: ================= For more information regarding the Beta release, please visit the release notes page: http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

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Early CVS Branching for F-9
by Jesse Keating 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Per the Fedora 9 Development schedule, we will begin allowing early CVS branching of packages for F-9. This will allow maintainers to have an F-9/ branch for continued Fedora 9 stable work and allow experimental work to happen in the devel/ branch. For packages that choose to branch, builds from devel/ will be held in the 'dist-f10' collection within koji. Builds from F-9/ will go to the dist-f9 collection and show up in rawhide (at least until the final freeze). Maintainers that wish to have their packages branched early will need to use the standard CVS Request method ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CVSAdminProcedure ). We will begin processing these requests on Tuesday, March 25th. New packages brought into Fedora will not automatically get an F-9 tag until after the mass branch date, which coincides with the final freeze date. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub)

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Buildsys outage notification
by Mike McGrath 22 Mar '08

22 Mar '08

There is an an outage starting at around 2008-03-22 07:00 UTC. It has been going on for about 6 hours (missed the first round of notifications) To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-03-22 07:00 UTC.' Affected Services: Buildsystem Unaffected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Database DNS Mail Torrent Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/400 Reason for Outage: NFS Lock issues, upon reboot the machine has forced an fsck of the koji share, I've decided to let this check run its course. There was a brief outage of the wiki this morning related to this issue. It should be fixed now. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage.

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Fedora 9 Beta slipped a few days
by Jesse Keating 20 Mar '08

20 Mar '08

In order to give time for mirrors to sync up the Fedora 9 Beta bits, and to do some last minute testing, and to avoid releasing beta the day before a Holiday for a large part of the world, we have decided to delay the release of Fedora 9 Beta until Tuesday, March 25th. However since we're confident in the Beta content, we will be unfreezing rawhide today so that development can continue as planned. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

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K12Linux Development Resources
by Warren Togami 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

K12Linux sub-project is working to integrate LTSP5 into Fedora 9. LTSP enables any machine to become a terminal server and to boot thin clients. https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12linux-devel-list K12Linux Development discussion list is now open for anybody that is interested in testing and helping the integration of LTSP in Fedora 9. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=188611&hide_resolved=1 This is the current picture of tasks needing to be done before Fedora 9. http://wtogami.livejournal.com/24147.html If you are interested in getting involved, here are some of the easier things that you can do to get started in LTSP development. Warren Togami wtogami(a)redhat.com

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String Freeze for Fedora 9 effective from 11/3
by Dimitris Glezos 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

A kind reminder that together with the Beta Freeze of 11/3 we have a String Freeze active for Fedora 9, affecting all packages that Fedora is upstream for. No new strings marked for translation can be added or existing ones be modified. For more information on freezes affecting L10n, please refer to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Freezes If you need to break the string freeze, please follow the String freeze policy, otherwise you may find your car scratched by a raving translator. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/StringFreezePolicy The deadline for translators to submit their contributions back is April 7. Everything submitted by this date are guaranteed to end up in our release, so packagers for the previously mentioned resources are requested to repackage after this date for the translations to make it in the release. Thanks. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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Docs/Beats/ 'frozen' for Preview Release relnotes
by Karsten Wade 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

As per the schedule[1] etc., we've procedurally frozen the Docs/Beats/ pages on the wiki in order to do final edits and conversion to XML. POT file for the Preview Release is going in to Fedora L10n tomorrow. We were an hour late in calling the freeze because Docs was inputting release note information from the various features, including last minute research and writing of notes for incomplete feature pages. Thanks to all of you who maintained updated and complete feature pages, it made our job easier and more interesting. - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule/9#relnotes-schedule -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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fedorapeople.org notice
by Dennis Gilmore 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

We had a bit of an oops on fedorapeople.org and had to restore some files from backup. We don't believe there was any actual data loss but its quite possible that some files you'd deleted are back. This A) puts some people over their quota and B) is annoying. Sorry for any confusion (this was a calamity of errors). For those of you in group A) just delete the files again :) Stop on by #fedora-admin if you have any questions. Fedora Admin Team

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Fedora 9 Feature Freeze
by John Poelstra 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Hello Fedora 9 Feature Owners, Beta Freeze has hit and so has Feature Freeze. What this means for Fedora 9 is as follows: o No new features can be proposed for Fedora 9, but they are most welcome for Fedora 10 o All features that are not 100% need to be substantially complete and in a testable state for the Fedora 9 Beta--scheduled for release 2008-03-20. If you have a feature listed here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList please update your feature page with: a) latest and greatest feature details including what remains to be completed if you are not at 100% completion b) % of completion c) last updated date Please complete this in advance of the FESCo meeting this coming Thursday (2008-03-13). At this meeting all incomplete feature pages will be reviewed to determine if they should remain part of Fedora 9 or deferred to a future release. Please help make this review easy by updating your feature page. If you know your feature is not ready for Fedora 9, please change the category of the page to CategoryProposedFeature and I will take this as signal that you are withdrawing your feature for Fedora 9. Naturally your wiki page can remain and be used for a future release. Thanks for your help! The Feature Wrangler

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Increased Bugzilla Activity and Coming Changes
by John Poelstra 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Greetings all bugzilla users, As part of the bug triage relaunch (announced today by Jon Stanley) you will probably see more activity in bugzilla as triagers start to move bugs from NEW to ASSIGNED and close bugs which have been in NEEDINFO for more than 30 days without any response. We will be triaging bugs in NEW and NEEDINFO following the process described here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow which was reviewed and approved by FESCo on January 24, 2008. Our initial focus will be on bugs reported in the past 30 days. We realize that there have been recent discussion on some of the mailing lists questioning the bugzilla states being used. Until someone gets new states added to bugzilla and someone lobbies FESCo to change the states used, we will follow the process described above. Naturally if we run into big problems (which we do not anticipate) using the states as they are, we will revisit things. As part of getting a better handle on how Fedora tracks bugs two, proposals are also in the works which Jon Stanley referred to in a previous email. We will circulate these proposals for feedback and bring them to FESCo for review on 2008-03-13 and request that they be voted on (if necessary) on 2008-03-20. We hope to start executing them soon thereafter. They will also be reviewed at tomorrow's bug triage meeting. We welcome your feedback and concerns in the sections at the bottom of each page. 1) Clear out bugs for unsupported versions: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnPoelstra/BugzillaExtremeMakeOver 2) Apply a consistent process to open Fedora bugs: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping Thanks for reading, John

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Fedora 9 Beta Freeze
by Jesse Keating 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

This morning at nearly 0700 UTC we froze Fedora 9 for Beta. Today's rawhide is comprised of those frozen bits. Our plan is to test it heavily this week and have a set of good packages for the beta by Thursday/Friday, for release the following Thursday. The Beta freeze is a blocking freeze, that is for the duration of the freeze only the frozen bits will be seen in rawhide, and the only updates you'll see in rawhide are those that we are explicitly tagging for the beta. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Overview#head-7dfffd8d508d… for more details. If you wish your build to be tagged for beta and it isn't already (koji latest-pkg f9-beta <package>) please mail rel-eng(a)fedoraproject.org stating the build you want tagged, the reason you want it tagged, and the testing you've done on the build already. In order to keep the freeze time short and prevent any slipping, please concentrate on fixing important bugs rather than new releases or other featurish work, especially since the Feature Freeze is now as well. The harder people work on bugfixing, the faster we can get the Beta out and lift the freeze and concentrate on getting things ready for the final freeze. Cheers! -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

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qt/qt4 -> qt3/qt rename coming soon to a rawhide near you.
by Rex Dieter 10 Mar '08

10 Mar '08

Just a heads-up to package maintainers, that a final piece of kde4 feature landing in rawhide is renaming qt packages(1) qt -> qt3 qt4 -> qt qt(3) as-is in rawhide/devel already includes Provides: qt3, which means any package that currently includes BuildRequires: qt-devel should be updated asap to use BuildRequires: qt3-devel instead. This 'qt3' Provides is included only in rawhide atm, but we plan to include this in future qt updates for F-7/F-8 as well. A quick-n-dirty repoquery I did this morning revealed 81 packages that need updating to BR: qt3-devel, to be posted (soon) to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RexDieter/qt3pkgs -- Rex (1) see also: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/436829 http://bugzilla.redhat.com/436846

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perl 5.10.0 is in rawhide!
by Tom Callaway 10 Mar '08

10 Mar '08

You may notice that there are a lot of updated packages in rawhide today... this is because perl 5.10.0 has arrived! Like any major version update, there are bound to be a few bugs lurking about (which is why we got it in before the feature freeze). In addition, it is possible that I missed some perl-dependent packages in my rebuilding frenzy. If you see any packages in rawhide which are still storing files in the 5.8.8/ vendor directories, please file bugs. We got a tremendous amount of help from the perl 5 porters community, especially Andy Armstrong, Nicholas Clark, and Rafael Garcia-Suarez. Without these folks, we would not have been able to meet the Fedora deadline. Thanks also go out to the Fedora Perl SIG, who were very helpful (and patient) while I got this done. Several packages were obsoleted by base perl and have been dead.package'd and blocked in rawhide: perl-Archive-Extract perl-Archive-Tar perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib perl-Compress-Zlib perl-CPANPLUS perl-Digest-SHA perl-ExtUtils-CBuilder perl-ExtUtils-ParseXS perl-File-Fetch perl-IO-Compress-Base perl-IO-Compress-Zlib perl-IO-Zlib perl-IPC-Cmd perl-Locale-Maketext-Simple perl-Log-Message perl-Log-Message-Simple perl-Module-Build perl-Module-CoreList perl-Module-Load perl-Module-Load-Conditional perl-Module-Loaded perl-Module-Pluggable perl-Object-Accessor perl-Package-Constants perl-Params-Check perl-Pod-Escapes perl-Pod-Simple perl-Term-UI perl-Time-Piece perl-version If you have a package which depends on libperl, and doesn't rebuild, make sure you have "perl(ExtUtils::Embed)" as a BuildRequires (in addition to perl-devel). Most packages use ExtUtils::Embed to determine where the perl-devel headers live, and can't find them without it. A few additional changes were committed with this release: - Fedora is now tracking all of its patches in patchlevel.h - The "sitedir" and "sitearch" directories are now located under /usr/local, to make it very clear that files installed by CPAN did not come from Fedora packages (they still work fine). Thanks again, ~spot ps. OMG PERL!

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Important Fedora Account System Information!
by Mike McGrath 09 Mar '08

09 Mar '08

ATTENTION: Action is required on your part in order to keep your account active! Beginning 2008-03-11 15:00 UTC the Fedora Infrastructure Team will begin migrating away from our former account system to the new account system. To convert this time to your local time just run "date -d '2008-03-11 15:00 UTC'. The account system location will not change - https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ This migration will take many hours and during that time many Fedora services that require authentication may be unavailable. After the migration is complete please log in and change your password! After one week, those who have not reset their passwords will have their accounts marked expired and will not be able to access Fedora services until their password is reset[1]. An email reminder will be sent out 3 days before the invalidation. Please respond, send an email to accounts(a)fedoraproject.org, or stop by #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net if you have any questions. -Mike [1] Password resets can be done at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/

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Beta freeze/release slipping by a week
by Jesse Keating 03 Mar '08

03 Mar '08

In today's releng meeting we decided to delay the freeze/release of Fedora 9 Beta by a week. This is due to a number of reasons, most clearly: Current instability of rawhide and peoples inability to do new installs Current state of X Impending perl-5.10.0 At this time the dates of the final freeze/release have not been changed. While there is more time before beta, we strongly urge people to spend this time on bugfixing and not introduction of new and unstable changes. We would really like to have some testing done before we go into the freeze period given that Beta freeze is a blocking freeze. Please use this time wisely. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

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