devel March 2007

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Re: rpms/firmware-addon-dell/EL-4 .cvsignore, 1.2, 1.3 firmware-addon-dell.spec, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.2, 1.3
by Dennis Gilmore 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

Once upon a time Friday 30 March 2007, Michael E Brown wrote: > Author: mebrown > > +# Dell only sells Intel-compat systems, so this package doesnt make much > sense +# on, eg. PPC. Also, we rely on libsmbios, which is only avail on > Intel-compat +ExcludeArch: ppc ppc64 s390 Can I suggest you use ExclusiveArch: %{ix86} x86_64 fedora is built by people for other archs than those. with a side effect that these things get built for archs they should not be built for.

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KDE-Live-CD: basic cd layout and localizations
by Sebastian Vahl 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

Hi. I've created a new basic layout for the cd: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE/KDELiveCD The size on todays rawhide is about 667 MB. Please tell me which package should be added or removed. On todays KDE-SIG-Meeting Rex Dieter and Kevin Kofler suggested to give the local communities the ability to create their own localized cds easily. To do this there should be an extra configuration file for each language which adds the needed packages and do some configurations. And also the additional language must fit on one cd. A second option for localized versions could (or should?) be a live-dvd with all available language packages. livecd-creator in git seems to be able to do this (but I haven't checked this yet). [1] I've created a first draft for an configuration for the german language. This adds kde-i18n-de and koffice-langpack-de to the cd. Also the standard keyboard layout, the local timezone and the locale is changed. To change the keyboard layout inside kde I've used an ugly workaround.[2] If anybody knows a better way, please tell me. :) Compared to the version above this one needs ~675 MB. To create the configuration files for different languages I need some informations from one person that uses the language: 1. /etc/sysconfig/i18n 2. /etc/sysconfig/keyboard 3. /etc/sysconfig/clock 4. keybordtype from "system-config-keyboard --help" 5. needed additional packages (eg. scim-* or fonts-*) And of course all are invited to discuss this. :) Sebastian [1] http://git.fedoraproject.org/?p=hosted/livecd [2] http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/livecd/source/50-fedora-livecd-kde-german.… ######### How to create the live cd: Install livecd-tools: wget "http://people.redhat.com/~katzj/live/f7test2/livecd-tools-001-3.fc7.i386.rpm" rpm -ivh livecd-tools-001-3.fc7.i386.rpm Create the spin: livecd-creator \ --repo=c7,http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/ \ --repo=e7,http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/development/i386/ \ --repo=lcd7,http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/livecd/i386/ \ --package=fedora-livecd-kde \ --fslabel=Fedora-7-Test2-KDE To create the german version: livecd-creator \ --repo=c7,http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/ \ --repo=e7,http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/extras/development/i386/ \ --repo=lcd7,http://www.deadbabylon.de/fedora/livecd/i386/ \ --package=fedora-livecd-kde-german \ --fslabel=Fedora-7-Test2-KDE-German

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The need to re-detect usb-storage devices (on resume and on-the-fly plugging)
by Michel Salim 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

I use an external hard drive with my laptop, that is detected and mounted fine (unless HAL and selinux-policy are out of sync) if plugged in at boot time. If I plug the drive after boot, or after resuming, the device node is created properly, but gnome-volume-manager does not register the device and has to be mounted manually. Does gnome-volume-manager currently make a distinction between internal and removable devices? It would make sense to assume USB devices are removable -- sometimes I'd forget to manually unmount a drive before suspending, and in an ideal world this should happen automatically (not sure which subsystem's task it is to do so). Right now, the laptop would resume with the device node still there (e.g. sdb, sdb1), and the device still "mounted" but not accessible, and a new device node is created (sdc, sdc1). Which Bugzilla component should this be filed under? Thanks, -- Michel Salim http://hircus.wordpress.com/

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fc6 gaim update is BROKEN!
by drago01 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

FC6 got a gaim update today which was not in updates testing before. Its completly broken... changing status without typing a message -> segfault When logging into icq it shows a message "Could not add buddy 1" Downgrade is also not possible because it somehow changed the contents of .gaim Why has this package made it to updates without any previous testing?

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Wireless question in F7
by Louis Garcia 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

Are both wireless stacks going to be included in F7? -Louis

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hplip: hp-toolbox advertising?
by Bernard Johnson 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

I was working on finding/reporting some bugs with the hplip package and noticed that there was no menu entry. Knowing that a graphical program with no menu entry wasn't the norm, I was about to file a bug, except when searching for a duplicate, I came across this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=170762 mclasen(a)redhat.com: "We don't give free ad space to HP on our menus..." I find that to be both an interesting and hypocritical comment. Please someone tell me how: 1) HP provides free GPL software for controlling and printing with their printers. 100% opensource. Yet we remove the menu entry because that would be advertising. (And when I say 100% opensource, I mean there is code, not a binary firmware blob or such b.s.) 2) RealVNC is a company that has a product called VNC. They provide a opensource version of the product that is included in fedora. This program gets free "advertising space" on the menu including the VNC logo, which AFAICS is identical to the company logo except the word "REAL". 3) And the in F7, there will be CodecBuddy (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureCodecBuddy) which will direct users to the Fluendo Webshop (https://shop.fluendo.com/) to purchase proprietary codes when they try to play media that they do not have a code for (http://hadessuk.blogspot.com/2007/03/totem-news.html) Hey, I'm all for these type of convenience settings, but fair is fair, but the hplip: hp-toolbox menu item back on the system menu.

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Announcing Fedora 7 Test 3 (6.92)
by Jeremy Katz 31 Mar '07

31 Mar '07

Welcome to Fedora 7 Test 3. I am please to announce the third of four test releases for Fedora 7. Downloads ======== DVD and network installation are available. http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ The recommended method of download is via BitTorrent from this site. http://fedora.redhat.com/Download/mirrors.html HTTP, FTP, and RSYNC downloads are available from Fedora Project mirrors listed above. Note that not all mirrors may be synced at this time. New in Fedora 7 Test 3 ======== This test release includes significant new versions of many key components and technologies. The following sections provide a brief overview of major changes from the last release of Fedora. Merger of Core and Extras ======== * The Fedora Core and Extras software repositories are being merged, resulting in a shared infrastructure and a single repository of packages to which everyone is invited to contribute. * Fedora 7 Test 3 is packaged initially as a Desktop/Development Workstation/Server implementation, called "Prime". This spin is delivered in DVD iso format only as a trial, see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00993.ht… for the discussion on this. * Many more packages are available in the development repositories. Live CD ======== * This test release includes an i386 ISO for a Desktop Live CD. This Live CD features the ability to install to a hard disk using the same graphical Anaconda installer as the non-live CD variant. * This test release also includes an x86_64 ISO for a Desktop Live image. Due to size, this will require a DVD. As with the i386 Live image, the ability to install to a hard disk is available. * This test release features a new i386 ISO for a KDE Live CD. Note that as of this writing, this ISO is only available via bittorrent. It should be available via the mirrors in the near future. Desktop ======== * This test release features GNOME 2.18 * A brand new Echo icon theme is included as the default in this release. This icon theme is incomplete, but with appropriate feedback and progress, may become the default in the general release. * Fast User Switching is now available via the fast-user-switch-applet. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFastUserSwitching for more details. Performance ======== * System performance is generally slower in the test releases as compared to the general release since we enable several options that help with debugging. System Administration ======== * System administration tools may be modified under the testing process. System Level Changes ======== * Fedora 7 Test 3 features a 2.6.21rc5 based kernel. Current release information is being tracked on the kernel release notes source page. (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Kernel) Amanda Users who upgrade from older releases need to read the amanda.conf and amanda-client.conf man pages to learn about the the new syntax for calling amandad, as well as edit the /etc/xinetd.d/amanda configuration file to follow the new syntax. Road Map And Release Schedule ======== * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/ Intended Audience for Test Releases ======== Test 1 is targeted for developers, who use it "at their own risk", and contains many bleeding edge packages. Test 2 is for early adopters. Most things should work and we need to your help to find what is broken. Test 3 is for early adopters. Most things should work and we need to your help to find what is broken. Test 4 is for beta users. This is the time when we must have full community participation. Without this participation both hardware and software functionality suffers. Quality Assurance for Test Releases ======== The Fedora Project has a process in place for ensuring the highest possible quality even in our test releases. Many bugs are identified, prioritized and fixed during the testing process. We also have a list of known bugs in this release. Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test3TreeTesting for more details. Translations of Release Notes ======== Due to the rapidly changing nature of test releases, translations of release notes for test releases are not practical. The initial goal is to have a translation of the release notes included in the test4 release and to allow community review and correction before the general release. As always, the general release is translated following the established practices for localization (l10n) and internationalization (i18n) (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N) which result in comprehensive, high-quality release notes in a variety of languages. About Fedora ======== Fedora is a set of projects sponsored by Red Hat and guided by the contributors. These projects are developed by a large community of people who strive to provide and maintain the very best in free, open source software and standards. The central Fedora project is an operating system and platform based on Linux that is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute, now and forever. You can help the Fedora Project community continue to improve Fedora if you file bug reports and enhancement requests. Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests for more information. Thank you for your participation. To find out more general information about Fedora, refer to the following Web pages: * Fedora Overview (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview) * Fedora FAQ (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ) * Help and Support (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate) * Participate in the Fedora Project (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted)

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NTFS-3G just released (3-28-07). inclusion to FC7?
by eric 31 Mar '07

31 Mar '07

NTFS-3G was just released yesterday (3-28-07), stable version 1.328. I'm currently stress testing this version under XEN (x86_64), and so far so good. Just wondering if it is possible to incorporate this latest stable version into FC7. Existing version in repo: ntfs-3g.x86_64 2:1.0-1.fc7 http://ntfs-3g.org/releases.html eric

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Initscripts and LSB compliance
by Michal Marciniszyn 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

Hi, due to my recent investigations, nearly none of the initscripts that we have included in RHEL/Fedora are LSB (Linux Standard Base) compliant. I'm not talking about problems with %config stuff, but about the functionality of the scripts. Main problems are constructions like [ -f /etc/service_conffile ] || exit 0 which ends the script with exit code 0 when there is no conf file for the service. Another big issue is wrong functionality of status call of initscript... And of course, the wrong return codes. The LSB compliance is IMHO one of our targets, so we should take care of this one. The LSB definitons can be found on: http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-gener… Our first step should be to produce guidelines (we have some for RHEL, but they are not obeyed), then force the developers to obey that. It is no big deal, but having all scripts behaving correctly and in some sense the standard way is definitely good think. --michal marciniszyn mmarcini(a)redhat.com

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[ANNOUNCE]: F7-test3 ia64 ISOs available
by Prarit Bhargava 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

A set of CD ISOs and a DVD ISO based on the Fedora 7 test3 ISOS of the ia64 Fedora development branch (also known as rawhide) are available from: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fedora 0a743739a587f802d906f74beecd3769ee73a06b F7-test3-ia64-disc1.iso d8c7e30dee1eea08aaeadcd9fc61fbf3bd98bfa0 F7-test3-ia64-disc2.iso 590ed002a3ecaf0d45c93c982fbb2421cb6d9bef F7-test3-ia64-disc3.iso c53d115659f8f7c2fa23a5fc4fc46a56302ed2e3 F7-test3-ia64-disc4.iso 21452de57b0d4c1997a5aeb88e74a78942f34a4b F7-test3-ia64-disc5.iso f624c5eb86e8ae2376fa1515b673c2bf6a98432a F7-test3-ia64-DVD.iso (Click on Download on left-hand side, and then the F7-test3 directory) Please remember that F7 ia64 is _unsupported_ by Fedora. You can file bugs, but be sure to file them against the devel branch of Fedora Core. Also, add "fedora-ia64" to the "blocks" field of the BZ. I am not building an ia64 Live ISO yet either. I am planning to do this in the near future. P.

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